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No my point is, I'm trusting him when I'm not watching too.
We can extrapolate from the existing body of work of these scientists, we demonstrably can trust them bro.
That experiment that started 90 years ago, running for 40 years, never underwent any contemporary peer review. The COVID vaccines have, with government reviews, dozens of outside parties having a look into the formulations, many papers speaking to the theoretical and I'm sure by now practical efficacy.
You can't compare a region limited pre electric conspiracy to a contemporary information age alleged conspiracy, the circumstances and scale reduce any parallels to background noise.
Well good for you, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily actually trustworthy, without knowing either of you, you could be a total sucker and he could be a good conman. "While I was down there I noticed your struts..." Struts were fine, he noticed you wouldn't question him saying they needed to be replaced.
Ok here's something you can really trust me bro on, for the fourth or fifth time, I'm not talking specifically about The Holy Vaccine, I'm speaking of the concept of trusting bros as a whole.
Peer review existing at all is an example of not "trusting them bro" btw.
If you're unable to discuss the topic of why or why not you should or should not "just trust" people regardless of expertise divorced from one specific thing, then I don't think there's a point to continuing this, we'll have to agree to ~~disagree~~ not talk about the same thing. Your focus is so narrow, is The Covid Vaccine™ the only thing that exists to you or is reality larger?
So, at some point where he's proved his methods of work, he's going to be trusted.
The same is for basically any medical researcher. Why are individuals expected to make an informed assessment, when by any account the structure that has that researcher gain their position has them suffer the scrutiny of people that have a much better idea of what problems might be in that research, and a vested interest in picking apart that methodology? (Writing their own paper for school or getting published themselves)
I literally can't do better than take the information I have access to and understand (my mechanic has spent time educating me, being transparent, and given me cost/benefit opinion; the medical researchers have gained degrees from credible orgs, peer review has not discredited the methodology, research is replicable etc)
I'm not going to go to trade school or medical school. Trusting them is happening, or I go live in a cabin in the woods. You trust people implicitly, your grocer, landlord, water supply, etc. There are thousands of ways that the people you rely on every day could maim or outright kill you. That doesn't happen. Applying this level of mistrust to a shot you get every 6 months and not the things you imbibe and tolerate every day is not logically consistent.
All of that isn't "trusting them bro," and still, they can be wrong even with all that.
You trust people implicitly.
Is trying to rip me off the most they can, they've been caught doing shady shit in the past, they're "my grocer" because they're closest to my house.
I think you're the only one on this entire fedi trusting landlords lmao. Nice to meet the one.
I mean, I'm curious, who knows if I'm in the next Flint Mi. They trusted it too.
And one day all the microplastics they're putting in my balls will finish the job. Matter of time.
You're really married to this "forcing the covid issue" thing huh? I already said you can trust all the literal gods that made the vaccine they've been venerated by Christ yadda yadda who cares, is this my sixth time saying that? I can repeat myself a seventh time but honestly if it hasn't sunk in yet I don't think it's going to.
But in any case "you don't want a flu shot? Why don't you quit eating then?"
Ok you got me, feel better sport?
They can poison your food, or sell substandard/filler/replacement goods, and you do not check
They have keys to your house that you trust them to not use, and you might have an alarm system that makes this a moot point and you actually don't trust them
You don't test your water, you trust that it's within acceptable limits.
There is a level of trust that you do display. Is it because you don't think about these things, and you actually would do those tests if you knew what and how to test for? You only I both know, you wouldn't. You know that there are consequences for the grocery clerk, landlord, municipal worker for abusing their position, profession, etc.
I want you to tell me how the Pharma academics and industry are afforded any different level of trust to the engineering, agricultural, residential etc design and supply chains, the crux of my argument is that there is not a real difference.
Exactly, mine was caught selling expired meat, like, replacing the date. Unfortunately, however, The Breatharians aren't right, no matter how bad our food supply is we don't only need sun on our assholes for sustenance (despite whether or not they claim to be experts themselves), we have to eat the poison. Or exclusively hunt, I guess, but that isn't feasible at scale, sure I can but if we all do deer will be extinct within a year or five.
Tbf I own my house, no landlord. BUT before when I rented I never trusted them. "They have keys" that they use all the time, they own the place, I can only stop them insofar as they legally have to give notice, I can't say "no" to that. Tbh idt you can legally install an alarm system in a place you don't own without the owner's consent either, but yeah, who the fuck trusts a landlord?! You're crazy for that one.
You assume I do, that has no bearing on whether or not I actually do. Divorce you from everyone else, wearenotthesame.jpg. The issue is if I don't drink water every three days I'll die, maybe I can make it to 7 before the kidneys fail and I seize to death but the damage is done. Since you cannot divorce the concept of trust and the covid vaccine, I've had covid multiple times and lived, like, at home chillin watching spongebob. But the time I was severely dehydrated with heat exhaustion I actually almost died and had to get IV liquids (not a Liquid IV™), so no "you trust the water bro" is neither true nor "good enough," despite whether or not I have to drink water. Though now I'm gonna search and see if there's a better test than pH I can run to see if there's like lead or something like that, now that you mention it that probably exists.
(X) to Doubt.
If so, yes.
*Dancesafe Elrich Test in my fridge* "Yeah."
FUCKING LOL! Yeah if they get caught haha. And even then, you "trust" the Law Enforcement "experts" in the US? "Consequences? Where's that, New Mexico?" (That's a better joke than you may get, I'm referencing Truth and Consequences, NM).
They're no different. Does that make you happy? Good. Problem is you can't trust ANY of those industries. Pharma? Really? The opioid epidemic who? JFC why would you trust the Sackler's industry? "Academics" is too broad, I can't sit here and pick apart literally every subject, I have the material but not the time, I have to work in the morning (at a place where I'm an expert and I've never made a mistake, trust me bro), Industry, yes, notoriously trustworthy, "yes radium is safe to lick, do you want your $0.13 an hour? Then shut the fuck up Mary." Do I really have to continue?
Ffs my dude, know what? Yes. Just trust the experts, lick the radium, drive the cybertruck, take the oxycontin, you'll be fine.
Cool, so we agree that vaccine hesitancy is figuratively cherry picking, if people are paranoid and distrustful across the board 🤌🏻
Nonononononono, don't hesitate on the vaccine, take Pfizer, J&J, and Moderna, take extras, sneak back in line and boof more, those were all created by Jesus Christ himself and questioning them is a sin, I want to be VERY clear that I'm not questioning the infallible Big Pharma industry who has never made any mistakes nor have they done anything malicious like Floridian pill farms.
But everything ELSE:
Smart. Ftfy.
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Good, glad you came around. Nice talk champ.
Nah I'm just accepting the intellectual dishonesty, bored of it
On that we can agree. Have fun trusting everyone blindly.