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I ask that you judge atheists by the enemies we have made
(thelemmy.club)
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No identity based hate against people/groups will be tolerated. Dunking on people or religion for their deeds in allowed but blind hate it not.
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Ok, fascists owe every one of us $20 every time they make us go easy on Reddit Atheism out of spite for even a second.
EDIT: better joke
No. We absolutely don't. "Reddit atheists" were actually wrong about a fuckton of things, it shouldn't surprise anybody in hindsight that the sceptic movement was largely a bunch of chauvinists that would pivot away from atheism and get funneled into the fash pipeline at the drop of a hat. It's just that the problem here was always the reddit part, not the atheism part.
Chauvinist STEMlords do not suddenly become based for rejecting young earth creationism. They were still chauvinist STEMlords and immediately used atheism as an excuse to align themselves with the genocidal wars the post 9/11 US waged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and with the entire islamophobic superstructure that served as the propagandistic backdrop for that campaign of mass murder and a few years later formed large parts of the substrate the alt right (that is now virtually identical to the right) grew out of.
Reddit atheism always had the undercurrent of being war on terror propaganda for liberals with a PhD. It also always had the misogynist bias and sex pest tendencies that are rampant in Epsteinian academia, see Dawkins, Pinker, Krauss etc.
You fuckers need to learn NUANCE. Seriously. It grosses me out that you can't say anything here without somebody feeling the need to include the literal worst example of that thing in human history as something we need to unconditionally support.
I guess it wasn't really surprising that "Reddit atheism" was just cover for post-9/11 pro-war-on-terror islamophobia, given
, but it sure is frustrating and awful.
I would like to gently suggest that when you feel a need to make a "bold" statement, you first take a breath and ask yourself if there are reasons it could be incorrect. Maybe you can't think of any, and that's fine, maybe in some cases you are right (not here) and in some cases you just can't figure out the error and need help (like we all do sometimes).
I say this in part because I just can't imagine how else such warped, obviously false, and ideologically deeply incoherent claims get made, except that the above question needed to be asked but wasn't.
Reddit atheism was chauvinistic and philosophically profoundly backwards. Their intellectual posturing was pathetic and senseless and they used a veil of faux-progressivism to attack social minorities and cheerlead war.
Reddit atheists were like Democrats in that they have the most ridiculous opposition, mainly American evangelicals, to make themselves look good but that didn't prevent them from being complete fools
Incidentally, ironic distancing is reactionary and we should seek to have sincerity in any decent progressive movement.
I hate to be the “I was only being ironic” guy, but in this case my intent was to make a joke how these christian nationalists made me miss the reddit atheist, so I rewrote it to clarify.
It was poorly worded and I take full responsibility for that.
Counterpoint: elevatorgate