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Unpopular Opinion
Welcome to the Unpopular Opinion community!
How voting works:
Vote the opposite of the norm.
If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.
Guidelines:
Tag your post, if possible (not required)
- If your post is a "General" unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
- If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].
Rules:
1. NO POLITICS
Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.
2. Be civil.
Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Please also refrain from gatekeeping others' opinions.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...
Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.
5. No trolling.
This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.
6. Defend your opinion
This is a bit of a mix of rules 4 and 5 to help foster higher quality posts. You are expected to defend your unpopular opinion in the post body. We don't expect a whole manifesto (please, no manifestos), but you should at least provide some details as to why you hold the position you do.
Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
There are instances that have downvotes disabled, if it bothers you I'd recommend moving to one of those.
Hard disagree.
No, because sometimes that just means feeding a troll. Some people are beyond arguing with. Downvotes are a great way to warn other users that there is bad comment that's not worth engaging with.
Well, yeah ... maybe you should! Just because you were thoughtful doesn't mean it was good or correct, so maybe you should try to figure out why at least 14 people felt the need to downvote it. It's valuable feedback!
I was curious, and you're just proving my point at the bottom there lol. You're not meant to downvote unpopular opinions on this community
Indeed, however I have a bunch of personal voting rules that take precedence here. There relevant one here being "Any complaint about downvotes gets downvoted".
Thank you for your valuable feedback
Most of the time people just vote how it's already going. If it's -5 then it's basically already decided that this is a comment everyone is going to downvote and they dogpile. Quite often it's an audience problem; as in, the content is completely fine, but people have decided to take it the wrong way. I haven't done anything wrong, but a bunch of people disagree and hate my opinion, and it's unrecoverable because the damage is done. It's like if someone throws a tomato at a play, it's just over.
If you don't want to feed a troll, just don't interact, or report them if it's that bad. We managed it on forums in the 90's without voting systems. It's not warning anybody off that content, it's just quietly putting someone down and spreading even more negativity.
I'm not moving entire instances just for this one thing lol. Again, it doesn't keep me up at night. I just point out when things could be better.
Do you think people can't think for themselves and just vote the way other people are voting? I'm inclined to be insulted, but then again I live in a first-past-the-post "democracy" so you might be onto something there.
If there's truly nothing wrong with your message, then downvotes are a badge of honour. When you catch downvotes for saying "everyone deserves food" or "don't be so hard on the gays" then other people are telling on themselves when they downvote.
However, I definitely believe people are out there saying indefensible things and then blaming their audience for disagreeing with them. "I'm not racist, but..." can lead to a "Well you people are just too sensitive"
I believe on some front ends, a comment that collects a certain amount of downvotes is automatically collapsed. So it actually spreads less negativity, although you could probably see how brigading by trolls could abuse this.
I don't really have a dog in this fight though, I can't downvote from my instance.
You can see even in this thread that completely innocuous statements like explaining the reason I do something in response to a question are getting downvoted. The same 2–4 people keep coming back here to downvote everything I post. I've also had people going through my post history and just downvoting everything indiscriminately, across multiple communities.
That's before we even get to the group think. Once a "side" is "winning", there's a real cognitive bias to continue that trend. That's just human psychology. Most people look at the vote first, and that biases how they read the comment. If it's -4, obviously there's something wrong with it, otherwise why would it be negative? That makes you see negative things that weren't there before. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
It doesn't really have anything to do with improving the community's content. Maybe a few people use it that way, but I think most people just use it as a dopamine button to "kick people while they're down", so to speak. You can check my post history yourself to see if I'm a racist or not.