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Their only measure of "manliness" is cruelty (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 days ago by Keld@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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Trump is a musical theater fan who dodged the draft, gossips about teen actors love lives, has never worked a day in his life, isn't in shape and has no signifiers of masculinity. He gets to be the pinnacle of masculinity purely because he represents cruelty.

Likewise no matter how grizzled whoever the Dems put up is they will always be effeminate in comparison, no matter how many of their supposed criteria for masculinity they fulfill.

Beyond the dems, none of their political opponents can ever be real men. No socialist is anything but a (gay) effeminate loser, nothing but their unwillingness to be performative cruel will ever be considered.

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[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

I agree with what you’re saying but it’s also not responding to what they were saying

they’re saying all men will inevitably become cruel
they’re not saying men have a monopoly on cruelty

Still, their argument is bad and I have engaged them to try to identify a possible transphobic brainworm

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

they’re saying all men will inevitably become cruel

That's not what they're saying, though? They're saying that masculinity, the socio-cultural construct, is upheld and performed through cruelty. In the dominant form of masculinity in Western culture, that is absolutely the case.

EDIT: Never mind, I missed something important.

[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Direct quote

Wherever there are men, no matter how marginalized in any other aspects, they will always selfradicalize into violent misogynists

Editing to add another direct quote

There is no masculinity without misogyny.

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Okay yeah, that reeks of radfem-style gender essentialism.

[-] Piltdowntown@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

I don't think I'm doing gender essentialism at all. I think I'm doing gender abolitionism, just through correctly identifying which of these social castes is one built on the back of wanting to do oppression and which of them is a formation of being oppressed. Name one aspect of masculinity that isn't inherently tied to the oppression of women.

[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

Name one aspect of masculinity that isn't inherently tied to the oppression of women.

I’m too nonbinary to think that there are any concrete aspects of masculinity. We’re in agreement here that it’s made-up social constructs all the way down.

Therefore, I also think it’s foolish to insist that all aspects of masculinity must be inherently toxic.

[-] Piltdowntown@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wherever there are men, no matter how marginalized in any other aspects, they will always selfradicalize into violent misogynists

Yes because masculinity, as a social caste, is built around misogyny and the oppression of women. This is nothing to do with gender essentialism or bio essentialism. Doing misogyny is THE way to affirm your participation in the social caste of masculinity.