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Oh yeah, let's try and apprehend these heavily armed bank robber right in the middle of downtown LA! Even though we already IDed them and know the car they're getting away in and could easily apprehend them later at a more controlled location and NOT IN A FUCKING BUSY CITY BLOCK FULL OF CIVILIANS!!!

Jesus Christ, is Al Pacino like the dumbest fucking police detective ever?

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[-] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

I might be in the minority of people who think Heat is a bit cheesy and dumb. I get it's more meant to be about two obsessive guys that are the best at what they do coming head to head, but it just feels so silly.

The ending is a cop-out as well. De Niro's gun jams? It feels like they wanted the cops to win but couldn't figure out how to make that happen. Den Niro's character isn't the sort that would let his gun jam, you know he'd keep that shit clean and ready to go at a moment's notice.

For your 'Shakespearean epic told through the guise of a crime movie' I much prefer Animal Kingdom. I feel like it does all the non-crime parts better to make you care about the characters

[-] Kefla@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Den Niro's character isn't the sort that would let his gun jam, you know he'd keep that shit clean and ready to go at a moment's notice.

Tbf jams just happen sometimes, it isn't really possible to eliminate it as a possibility. Though if you're really obsessive you can use a gun that is already less likely to jam than most and then work to get the spring pressure and everything just right to minimize the possibility as much as possible.

But yeah narratively, a gun jamming is pretty much the same as the guy slipping and falling over, or rocks falling on him, or God descending from the sky and taking his gun away. Unless it was already foreshadowed with neglect of the gun or some damage or whatever.

God descending from the sky and taking his gun away.

That why heat works as a Greek tragedy more than a shakesperean one. It's a tale of hubris and mundanity, in my opinion. Everything is so spectacular but it's just another Tuesday for these people. DeNiro was never meant to leave the life of crime, and Pacino will continue to be an asshole and bad stepfather as he was before catching the bad guy of the week.

No one in this film is capable of changing, the only transformation they can go through is death itself.

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