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[-] Piltdowntown@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

AAA slop is fundamentally not art. Your yearly FIFA is not art. It is a skinner box designed to extract as much money as possible. Gameplay and art direction and writing are not its concern. On the art/product spectrum it is so far into product that it has fallen off a cliff.

[-] Aradino@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Nope. Still art. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :(

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Idk if I agree… even a really well made plastic spoon is still just a product. It doesn’t matter if artists and designers worked on it. Some things are not art. Not everything is art. Just because “games” are art, doesn’t mean all games are art. Like chess and soccer are not art. They are just games. What we call art when we refer to games is closer to an amalgam of all previous artforms than what previous generations called games. And FIFA more closely falls into that, what we used to call games before the 20th century.

[-] Aradino@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

Chess as a ruleset isnt art, but an individual chess set absolutely is. The construction of the pieces and the design of the board are art. Soccer isnt are either, but a really well made soccer ball absolutely can be.

There are simply too many artists involved with the creation of a Fifa game for it to not be art. The grass, the character models, the crowds, even the programming is a form of art. The individual pieces of art, a shoe texture for example, come together to create something completely lacking in any artistic merit. But bad art is still art.

I used to collect PS2 games and would specifically seek out bad games that no one cared about. I've played An American Tale: Fieval Goes West three times start to finish. It's dreadful, but there's still art in there.

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago

Yeah… crafts are not art. That’s why we have craft and design museums separated from art museums. A really well made ball is a “piece of art” metaphorically. But it does seem people believe the metaphor to be literal.

Like a good craftsperson is an “artist” because they make beautiful ethereal objects, not because they make art.

[-] Aradino@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

I simply disagree with this narrow definition of art

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I mean that’s fine. Art is hard to define.

But in general we know the difference between art and craft. A soccer ball can be art, if it’s art. If it’s a soccer ball, it’s an object and not art. Even if it’s the best soccer ball ever.

But like, if a toilet can be art, of course a soccer ball can be as well. It’s just that not all soccer balls or toilets (or games) are art.

You mentioned that artists worked on FIFA making the grass etc. They might as well be artists (and make art on the side). But making grass for a product whose sole purpose is to make money (and not transport you or convey an emotional/cognitive place) is not art.

A factory worker making a great toilet isn’t making art. But Duchamp grabbing that signing it and placing it in a gallery is.

Art is not about how well crafted something is at all. And you can’t craft your way into making art.

Also something not being art is not a criticism or negative judgement at all. There’s a lot (like most tbh) of really shitty art and a lot of really good non-art.

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

amalgam of all previous artforms

Unlike real art?

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago

not sure what you mean. I do think games can be art. But not all games are art. Just like not all recorded audiovisual productions are art. Some are just commercials or talk shows.

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