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[-] guy@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago

First time I've heard of that, where did you hear this? Searching the web yields nothing.

My example contradicts your point. You don't have to have nuclear weapons to avoid being a vassal or colony. Ukraine is managing without, and what's more interesting is that Russia can't even use nukes against Ukraine to win the war. So in a sense not being a nuclear power gives some protection.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I have to admit I can't find it myself, all I get is stories about "unpreparedness by the UK" and Russian threats against NATO and EU and UK.

But this came out years ago it may have been while Boris Johnson was still PM.
Boris Johnson was also out with very early warning to Russia about devastating effect to the Russian economy from sanctions.

[The closest I can find is this:
https://youtu.be/38wK5l80TS4?t=37

Clearly Putin has been send some sort of warning, where Boris states We send a message to Putin on nuclear, and he heard that message.

Maybe the statements about proportional response is an interpretation?

My example contradicts your point. You don’t have to have nuclear weapons to avoid being a vassal or colony.

I still disagree, because the reason Ukraine can do that, is that Ukraine has multiple allies that have nuclear weapons.
With strong allies you obviously don't need to be a vassal of anybody.
Ukraine is getting really really strong on their own accord now, but still it can never be a match to nuclear weapons. And without the backing from nuclear powers of Ukraine, who knows if Putin could get the idea to use nukes against Ukraine?
I think Putin could be crazy enough to do it, and I definitely think Trump could too. Trump has no moral limitation. The only limitation for him is what he thinks he can get away with. And I think Putin is very similar.

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