No they didn’t, you don’t seem to understand what I meant when I pointed out Israel destroyed all the hospitals, the hospitals in Gaza and the health services were the only orgs counting the dead; when they were destroyed that meant there was nobody left to count the dead and as Israel intensified the genocide in 2024, it split the strip up and invaded whole cities (like Rafah)

It is ridiculous to sit there and pretend absolute death decreased under Biden because nobody was left who would count the dead or that Israel leveling whole cities somehow magically meant the people escaped, when they didn’t escape when Israel was only leveling city blocks in the first few months

That’s why the chart is nonsense; it’s undercounting deaths and pretending Israel didn’t destroy the healthcare system, which was the only system that could count deaths, meaning the chart is even worse than guessing; it’s lying, intentionally or not

I could have been clearer when I spoke, so I guess that's my fault. You spoke on what the graph showed, so I spoke on that in response. That was not intended to be a refutation of your suggestion that the graph is incorrect. It was intended to show that I don't agree with the way you're interpreting, but I may have been misunderstanding exactly what you meant.

You see, you give the game away here, it doesn’t matter why Trump pushed the ceasefire through; it only matters that he did and Biden didn’t, but you’re more concerned that the ceasefire makes Trump’s prospects look better than the fact the ceasefire means less Palestinians dying every day

My point is that I don't think Trump pushed it through. I think Israel realized they had to clean up the appearances over there, so they started talking about a ceasefire, and Trump dove on the opportunity to take credit for it. That's not to say I think Israel is growing a conscious and stopping. I just think they've realized the optics are getting to be too bad, so they're swapping to something slower and easier to distance themselves from. This is the same Trump who said we should just move everyone out and let the US take over the area, who said Israel should just finish the job, and who, several months after the ceasefire began, talked about how Gaza is great real estate and how he wanted to build skyscrapers there. Trump is dumb as shit and even more callous, but the one thing he genuinely excels at is gaming the media cycle and making himself look good to at least enough people to keep him in power. At a glance, yeah, it looks like Trump actually went out of his way to do something right for once, but in the greater context of Trump on Gaza, it looks to me more like he just took advantage of a passing opportunity. If you've got any info that can refute that, though, I'm happy to be proven wrong.