▲ 94 ▼ Flatpak’s Future May Leave Non-systemd Distros Behind (linuxiac.com) submitted 4 months ago by cm0002@lemy.lol to c/linux@programming.dev 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 49 points 4 months ago (14 children) This centralization of Linux worries me permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 60 points 4 months ago* (5 children) It shouldn't. Linux users are like cats. The harder you try to herd them in one direction, the more directions they find to go. Just because they all happen to be in one place at one particular time doesn't mean they will suffer any obligation to stay there the moment someone decides they want them to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] foster@lemmy.hangdaan.com 34 points 4 months ago* Linux users are like cats. The harder you try to herd them in one direction, the more directions they find to go. This comparison genuinely made me laugh because it's so true. 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] john_t@piefed.ee 25 points 4 months ago Meow. I mean... exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago (2 children) Sadly I just dont think this is true. For now non systemd distros work fine but eventually if this course doesn't change you'll be heavily inconvenienced at the best and downright struggling at the worst if you choose to not use it I fear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's because systemd is just good, if it stops being or something better comes along, people will move. There's no loyalty or entrapment here. This would be bad if a company did it with proprietary software, because then the company could lock people in... this is just nothing like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 2 points 4 months ago Right, I don't think its actually 'bad' in anyway centralization is convienient! I just think its overall terrible for the users. While jumping ship obv can happen every hour spent on developing one option means that get rid of it as you have more systems to remake. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago (2 children) It's less that and just the absolute ridiculous scope creep of systemd. Again it was meant to just replace init. All it needs to do is boot the kernel and run at launch services, and people disagree on that last part. It shouldn't be basically a second layer to the kernel in both application and necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 29 points 4 months ago Systemd should've stayed in its lane instead of wildly taking up the whole road like an entitled asshole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auth@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago systemd is a name for a set of modular tools. That would be like saying that GNU is scope creeping and should stay in their lane. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 20 points 4 months ago (2 children) Yes, but the centralization runs so much deeper! We should ditch the centralized linux kernel and create at least 10 completely new kernels that are barely compatible to each other but will ensure our freedom and provide choice to the community! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mech@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) BSD has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago That Hurds 😜 permalink fedilink source parent [–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago the monolithic kernel must really mess with your noggin best of luck with devuan permalink fedilink source parent [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 6 points 4 months ago Why? Systemd is open source. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 60 points 4 months ago* (5 children) It shouldn't. Linux users are like cats. The harder you try to herd them in one direction, the more directions they find to go. Just because they all happen to be in one place at one particular time doesn't mean they will suffer any obligation to stay there the moment someone decides they want them to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] foster@lemmy.hangdaan.com 34 points 4 months ago* Linux users are like cats. The harder you try to herd them in one direction, the more directions they find to go. This comparison genuinely made me laugh because it's so true. 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] john_t@piefed.ee 25 points 4 months ago Meow. I mean... exactly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago (2 children) Sadly I just dont think this is true. For now non systemd distros work fine but eventually if this course doesn't change you'll be heavily inconvenienced at the best and downright struggling at the worst if you choose to not use it I fear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's because systemd is just good, if it stops being or something better comes along, people will move. There's no loyalty or entrapment here. This would be bad if a company did it with proprietary software, because then the company could lock people in... this is just nothing like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 2 points 4 months ago Right, I don't think its actually 'bad' in anyway centralization is convienient! I just think its overall terrible for the users. While jumping ship obv can happen every hour spent on developing one option means that get rid of it as you have more systems to remake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foster@lemmy.hangdaan.com 34 points 4 months ago* Linux users are like cats. The harder you try to herd them in one direction, the more directions they find to go. This comparison genuinely made me laugh because it's so true. 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] john_t@piefed.ee 25 points 4 months ago Meow. I mean... exactly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 7 points 4 months ago (2 children) Sadly I just dont think this is true. For now non systemd distros work fine but eventually if this course doesn't change you'll be heavily inconvenienced at the best and downright struggling at the worst if you choose to not use it I fear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's because systemd is just good, if it stops being or something better comes along, people will move. There's no loyalty or entrapment here. This would be bad if a company did it with proprietary software, because then the company could lock people in... this is just nothing like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 2 points 4 months ago Right, I don't think its actually 'bad' in anyway centralization is convienient! I just think its overall terrible for the users. While jumping ship obv can happen every hour spent on developing one option means that get rid of it as you have more systems to remake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -2 points 4 months ago* (1 child) That's because systemd is just good, if it stops being or something better comes along, people will move. There's no loyalty or entrapment here. This would be bad if a company did it with proprietary software, because then the company could lock people in... this is just nothing like that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 2 points 4 months ago Right, I don't think its actually 'bad' in anyway centralization is convienient! I just think its overall terrible for the users. While jumping ship obv can happen every hour spent on developing one option means that get rid of it as you have more systems to remake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pandasdontfly@anarchist.nexus 2 points 4 months ago Right, I don't think its actually 'bad' in anyway centralization is convienient! I just think its overall terrible for the users. While jumping ship obv can happen every hour spent on developing one option means that get rid of it as you have more systems to remake. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vagrancyand@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 months ago (2 children) It's less that and just the absolute ridiculous scope creep of systemd. Again it was meant to just replace init. All it needs to do is boot the kernel and run at launch services, and people disagree on that last part. It shouldn't be basically a second layer to the kernel in both application and necessity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 29 points 4 months ago Systemd should've stayed in its lane instead of wildly taking up the whole road like an entitled asshole. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auth@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago systemd is a name for a set of modular tools. That would be like saying that GNU is scope creeping and should stay in their lane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 29 points 4 months ago Systemd should've stayed in its lane instead of wildly taking up the whole road like an entitled asshole. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Auth@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago systemd is a name for a set of modular tools. That would be like saying that GNU is scope creeping and should stay in their lane. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 20 points 4 months ago (2 children) Yes, but the centralization runs so much deeper! We should ditch the centralized linux kernel and create at least 10 completely new kernels that are barely compatible to each other but will ensure our freedom and provide choice to the community! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mech@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) BSD has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago That Hurds 😜 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mech@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 child) BSD has entered the chat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DarkMetatron@feddit.org 10 points 4 months ago That Hurds 😜 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago the monolithic kernel must really mess with your noggin best of luck with devuan permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@l.roofo.cc 6 points 4 months ago Why? Systemd is open source. permalink fedilink source parent