▲ 383 ▼ Single-sex toilets must exclude transgender people, says Equality and Human Rights Commission (www.theguardian.com) submitted 3 months ago by Valuy@lemmy.zip to c/world@lemmy.world 379 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TheMuffinMan@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 child) I’m not the person you asked, but ‘assigned sex’ is fine. The common one is ‘assigned gender at birth’. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The common one is ‘assigned gender at birth’. *assigned sex gender is assigned at birth by society, sex is assigned at birth by biology usually they match, but sometimes they dont (hard-to-detect intersex conditions (which are never noticed), easy-to-detect intersex conditions (that get you mutilated)) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) sex is assigned at birth by biology Minor unimportant correction: Sex is usually assigned at birth by nurses. It's occasionally incorrect because it's usually decided by what the baby's crotch looks like rather than a blood test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) no, assigned sex is assigned by biology nurses failing to notice that youre intersex doesnt make you not intersex nurses attempt to discern the birth-assigned sex; they do not decide it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The word "assigned" is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. Midwives relatively frequently incorrectly assign intersex people at birth. Your actual sex isn't assigned by anybody, and certainly isn't decided at birth, but rather at conception. Timeline: Conception: chromosomes determined. Womb: hormonal context influences gender characteristics. Birth: nurse assigns male or female. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. no i'm using it to mean "gotten without having chosen it" the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The common one is ‘assigned gender at birth’. *assigned sex gender is assigned at birth by society, sex is assigned at birth by biology usually they match, but sometimes they dont (hard-to-detect intersex conditions (which are never noticed), easy-to-detect intersex conditions (that get you mutilated)) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) sex is assigned at birth by biology Minor unimportant correction: Sex is usually assigned at birth by nurses. It's occasionally incorrect because it's usually decided by what the baby's crotch looks like rather than a blood test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) no, assigned sex is assigned by biology nurses failing to notice that youre intersex doesnt make you not intersex nurses attempt to discern the birth-assigned sex; they do not decide it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The word "assigned" is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. Midwives relatively frequently incorrectly assign intersex people at birth. Your actual sex isn't assigned by anybody, and certainly isn't decided at birth, but rather at conception. Timeline: Conception: chromosomes determined. Womb: hormonal context influences gender characteristics. Birth: nurse assigns male or female. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. no i'm using it to mean "gotten without having chosen it" the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) sex is assigned at birth by biology Minor unimportant correction: Sex is usually assigned at birth by nurses. It's occasionally incorrect because it's usually decided by what the baby's crotch looks like rather than a blood test. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) no, assigned sex is assigned by biology nurses failing to notice that youre intersex doesnt make you not intersex nurses attempt to discern the birth-assigned sex; they do not decide it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The word "assigned" is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. Midwives relatively frequently incorrectly assign intersex people at birth. Your actual sex isn't assigned by anybody, and certainly isn't decided at birth, but rather at conception. Timeline: Conception: chromosomes determined. Womb: hormonal context influences gender characteristics. Birth: nurse assigns male or female. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. no i'm using it to mean "gotten without having chosen it" the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) no, assigned sex is assigned by biology nurses failing to notice that youre intersex doesnt make you not intersex nurses attempt to discern the birth-assigned sex; they do not decide it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The word "assigned" is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. Midwives relatively frequently incorrectly assign intersex people at birth. Your actual sex isn't assigned by anybody, and certainly isn't decided at birth, but rather at conception. Timeline: Conception: chromosomes determined. Womb: hormonal context influences gender characteristics. Birth: nurse assigns male or female. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. no i'm using it to mean "gotten without having chosen it" the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) The word "assigned" is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. Midwives relatively frequently incorrectly assign intersex people at birth. Your actual sex isn't assigned by anybody, and certainly isn't decided at birth, but rather at conception. Timeline: Conception: chromosomes determined. Womb: hormonal context influences gender characteristics. Birth: nurse assigns male or female. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. no i'm using it to mean "gotten without having chosen it" the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) The word “assigned” is used exactly to describe a decision by a second party (the nurse) based on the limited information they have at the time. no i'm using it to mean "gotten without having chosen it" the sex they have gotten, without having chosen it, from the dna lottery permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And you believe this happens at birth?! Nonsense! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) "at birth" is an oversimplification, not meant to be accurate its probably used so commonly because the not-yet-born human is usually not really considered permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) afab and amab are commonly used abbreviations in the trans community. They stand for Assigned Female at Birth and Assigned Male at Birth. Cis men don't describe themselves as "amab" they just describe themselves as men. Absolutely "assigned” is used to describe a potentially imperfect decision by the nurse to label a baby male or female, based on the limited information they have at the time. There's a lot more to gender than just what the nurse sees when you pop out, even for cis people, but what gets written down doesn't take anything else into account. Trans people have typically thought this stuff through a lot and are using words carefully, whereas you seem resistant both to the meaning of the verb "assigned" and the context "at birth". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) not really sure what point ur trying to make also Trans people [...] whereas you [...] i am trans, specifically agender the pride flag is in my profile picture and my bio says they/them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago not really sure what point ur trying to make It was a minor correction over the meaning of the word assigned. And whilst quibbling over that word, I misused another more important one, so I'm being hypocritical, I see. permalink fedilink source parent