▲ 111 ▼ DNC releases 2024 autopsy, with chair apologizing for ‘creating an even bigger distraction’ (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 3 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/news@lemmy.world 38 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago (3 children) Ughh not even 1/6th of the way through it and it looks like the DNC just went over all of it with a yellow highlighter to say: Nope nope nope nope wrong wrong wrong nope wrong nope nope wrong wrong wrong. We Did Nothing Wrong and Plan on Learning Nothing! permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 child) I mean most of those would be pretty standard comments a reviewer would add, basically "citations needed", and for the vast majority of the ones I saw, there would be an easy citation to go grab. This looks more like a less than final version or like they didn't plan on even getting the final version completed. Like they saw this draft and said 'aight we've seen enough'. It's also like.. not a good report so far. I read the stein section, which was fine as anecdote, but that same worked example happened in 50 other states. There is no reason to not to do a similar analysis across all states. It's not like they don't have the data. That differential performance gap is the same basic approach I used back and showed here, in January of '24 which showed Biden was losing, and by May showed it as being a practical impossibility for them to win. It was not well received. Thinking back on it, I actually got banned from a few subs for posting the results of a basic and standard statistical analysis because it showed how bad Biden was losing. It was bad here in 23/24 for anyone who wasn't high on their own supply. I'm gonna read for details on a bigger screen. The second half seems to be mostly about spending which, I don't think had a meaningful impact on the race. This was a very simple and very clear election that was blown first because (D)emocrats insisted on allowing Biden to run, and (d)emocrats insisted on defending this choice when it was clear as early as December of 23 that Biden couldn't win. It was Israel/Gaza and voters tried desperately to communicate that in the primaries, and the administration chose the path of having universities crack down on student protests. The establishment disenfranchised the left volunteer base, and what the establishment failed to recognize, was that they don't actually win elections for themselves, the volunteer base does. Individuals who show up and do canvassing, work to convince others to vote for a candidate, they're always more engaged, further left than the average voter. They're your shock troops for any campaign, and without them, don't even bother, because you don't stand a chance. The Democrats are on deaths door as a party. And their only path to survival is to become a truly leftwing, socialist party. Anything less than that the neolibs will have handed the rudder back to fascism for a third time. And the fascist won't be handing it back at that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children) The Democrats are on deaths door as a party. And their only path to survival is to become a truly leftwing, socialist party. Anything less than that the neolibs will have handed the rudder back to fascism for a third time. And the fascist won’t be handing it back at that point. This is where the pain is. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that they'll ever do this. :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) I’m curious besides Bernie, AOC and a few others…. What elected officials even want to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago What elected officials That's the point, you're usually not given the chance to reach the point of being elected. Usually the DNC works against you if you're not a neoliberal. Now supposedly this new chairperson will not tip the scales in primaries, but only time will tell if that is true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago What do you mean? They’ve saved democracy from those filthy lefty progressives. And anointed their king Trump, just not as loud as Fetterman. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago It was such a softball report as well. Everything was presented in this very soft manner that barely even addressed the major issues with Harris campaign and instead spent the majority of the report just pointing out all the places other campaigns outperformed Harris. But apparently even that incredibly mild bit of criticism was too much for them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children) I won't be able to read it until later - anything surprising in there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago Did a quick search for Israel and Gaza. Didn't find them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Nothing really major jumped out at me from my quick review other than how bland it was and how often the DNCs response was essentially "citation needed". The main thrust of the report seems to have been that Harris underperformed with men compared to other campaigns involving Democrats, and that the DNC didn't spend enough time running attack ads to discredit Republican candidates. The single most pointed criticism in the entire thing was one brief section near the end where it pointed out that Harris did a poor job differentiating herself from Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago Yeah its not a particularly convincing report. I think we as lemmings could probably crowd source something together of higher quality and better reproducibility in a few days or weeks. Like the focus on one race as being the source of the performance gap is frustrating because it was ubiquitous and there is a real opportunity for a state by state district by district analysis there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago (1 child) I mean most of those would be pretty standard comments a reviewer would add, basically "citations needed", and for the vast majority of the ones I saw, there would be an easy citation to go grab. This looks more like a less than final version or like they didn't plan on even getting the final version completed. Like they saw this draft and said 'aight we've seen enough'. It's also like.. not a good report so far. I read the stein section, which was fine as anecdote, but that same worked example happened in 50 other states. There is no reason to not to do a similar analysis across all states. It's not like they don't have the data. That differential performance gap is the same basic approach I used back and showed here, in January of '24 which showed Biden was losing, and by May showed it as being a practical impossibility for them to win. It was not well received. Thinking back on it, I actually got banned from a few subs for posting the results of a basic and standard statistical analysis because it showed how bad Biden was losing. It was bad here in 23/24 for anyone who wasn't high on their own supply. I'm gonna read for details on a bigger screen. The second half seems to be mostly about spending which, I don't think had a meaningful impact on the race. This was a very simple and very clear election that was blown first because (D)emocrats insisted on allowing Biden to run, and (d)emocrats insisted on defending this choice when it was clear as early as December of 23 that Biden couldn't win. It was Israel/Gaza and voters tried desperately to communicate that in the primaries, and the administration chose the path of having universities crack down on student protests. The establishment disenfranchised the left volunteer base, and what the establishment failed to recognize, was that they don't actually win elections for themselves, the volunteer base does. Individuals who show up and do canvassing, work to convince others to vote for a candidate, they're always more engaged, further left than the average voter. They're your shock troops for any campaign, and without them, don't even bother, because you don't stand a chance. The Democrats are on deaths door as a party. And their only path to survival is to become a truly leftwing, socialist party. Anything less than that the neolibs will have handed the rudder back to fascism for a third time. And the fascist won't be handing it back at that point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children) The Democrats are on deaths door as a party. And their only path to survival is to become a truly leftwing, socialist party. Anything less than that the neolibs will have handed the rudder back to fascism for a third time. And the fascist won’t be handing it back at that point. This is where the pain is. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that they'll ever do this. :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) I’m curious besides Bernie, AOC and a few others…. What elected officials even want to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago What elected officials That's the point, you're usually not given the chance to reach the point of being elected. Usually the DNC works against you if you're not a neoliberal. Now supposedly this new chairperson will not tip the scales in primaries, but only time will tell if that is true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago What do you mean? They’ve saved democracy from those filthy lefty progressives. And anointed their king Trump, just not as loud as Fetterman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children) The Democrats are on deaths door as a party. And their only path to survival is to become a truly leftwing, socialist party. Anything less than that the neolibs will have handed the rudder back to fascism for a third time. And the fascist won’t be handing it back at that point. This is where the pain is. I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that they'll ever do this. :/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) I’m curious besides Bernie, AOC and a few others…. What elected officials even want to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago What elected officials That's the point, you're usually not given the chance to reach the point of being elected. Usually the DNC works against you if you're not a neoliberal. Now supposedly this new chairperson will not tip the scales in primaries, but only time will tell if that is true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago What do you mean? They’ve saved democracy from those filthy lefty progressives. And anointed their king Trump, just not as loud as Fetterman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 months ago (1 child) I’m curious besides Bernie, AOC and a few others…. What elected officials even want to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago What elected officials That's the point, you're usually not given the chance to reach the point of being elected. Usually the DNC works against you if you're not a neoliberal. Now supposedly this new chairperson will not tip the scales in primaries, but only time will tell if that is true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago What elected officials That's the point, you're usually not given the chance to reach the point of being elected. Usually the DNC works against you if you're not a neoliberal. Now supposedly this new chairperson will not tip the scales in primaries, but only time will tell if that is true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sportsjorts@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago What do you mean? They’ve saved democracy from those filthy lefty progressives. And anointed their king Trump, just not as loud as Fetterman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orclev@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago It was such a softball report as well. Everything was presented in this very soft manner that barely even addressed the major issues with Harris campaign and instead spent the majority of the report just pointing out all the places other campaigns outperformed Harris. But apparently even that incredibly mild bit of criticism was too much for them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (2 children) I won't be able to read it until later - anything surprising in there? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago Did a quick search for Israel and Gaza. Didn't find them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Nothing really major jumped out at me from my quick review other than how bland it was and how often the DNCs response was essentially "citation needed". The main thrust of the report seems to have been that Harris underperformed with men compared to other campaigns involving Democrats, and that the DNC didn't spend enough time running attack ads to discredit Republican candidates. The single most pointed criticism in the entire thing was one brief section near the end where it pointed out that Harris did a poor job differentiating herself from Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago Yeah its not a particularly convincing report. I think we as lemmings could probably crowd source something together of higher quality and better reproducibility in a few days or weeks. Like the focus on one race as being the source of the performance gap is frustrating because it was ubiquitous and there is a real opportunity for a state by state district by district analysis there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago Did a quick search for Israel and Gaza. Didn't find them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child) Nothing really major jumped out at me from my quick review other than how bland it was and how often the DNCs response was essentially "citation needed". The main thrust of the report seems to have been that Harris underperformed with men compared to other campaigns involving Democrats, and that the DNC didn't spend enough time running attack ads to discredit Republican candidates. The single most pointed criticism in the entire thing was one brief section near the end where it pointed out that Harris did a poor job differentiating herself from Biden. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago Yeah its not a particularly convincing report. I think we as lemmings could probably crowd source something together of higher quality and better reproducibility in a few days or weeks. Like the focus on one race as being the source of the performance gap is frustrating because it was ubiquitous and there is a real opportunity for a state by state district by district analysis there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago Yeah its not a particularly convincing report. I think we as lemmings could probably crowd source something together of higher quality and better reproducibility in a few days or weeks. Like the focus on one race as being the source of the performance gap is frustrating because it was ubiquitous and there is a real opportunity for a state by state district by district analysis there. permalink fedilink source parent