▲ 432 ▼ Longing for the day I can buy an EV that's not a smartphone on wheels is like... (thelemmy.club) submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by IcedRaktajino@startrek.website to c/simpsonsshitposting@sh.itjust.works 143 comments fedilink hide all child comments No touch screens, no telemetry, no cellular modems, no wifi, no apps, no subscriptions, no infotainment.
[–] Eddie345 9 points 3 months ago (14 children) Manual Gears (5 speed)! permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (4 children) Do EVs even have transmissions? I ask this legitimately, I know shit for dick about cars beyond how to change oil permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) They have one drive reduction gear, just one speed, no shifting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm gonna have to ask what that means. Cars are just something my autism just does not comprehend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Internal combustion engines are very picky about how fast they spin, since they get their power from burning fuel the rate at which fuel enters the cylinders to burn correlates strongly to the power they have available. And since each cycle of a cylinder burns about the same amount of fuel the faster the engine spins the more power it generates. This is why internal combustion engine vehicles have gearboxes (transmission in the US?) to ensure that you can spin the engine fast even while the wheels are slow) or stopped) so you have enough power to start the car. Electric motors by contrast generate power through the strength of their electromagnetic fields, which is just how much current gets pushed through the electromagnets. How fast the motor spins just changes how fast the electronics have to "move" the generated field without changing the strength, so you get similar power even at slow speeds. So electric motors have enough torque at low speed that you can start your car without needing a gearbox. Note: this post is a gross simplification and probably mis-uses some terminology but it should give a general understanding of why the transmissions are different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Okay pretend they are trains without tracks permalink fedilink source parent [–] dkppunk@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago (3 children) I’d honestly love this. I don’t even care if the stick doesn’t actually switch gears and it can just give me fake engine rev sounds. I just miss driving manual and paddle shifters just aren’t the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JayGray91@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N wowed the cartubers crowd back in 2024/25 because it simulated a lot of the driving feel of gas cars. Maybe keep an eye on Hyundai. Edit: although I don't think they have simulated stick shifting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I don't know why they turned their station wagon into a sports EV, and then waited like 3 years to do it with their sedan. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dkppunk@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) They were doing paddle shifters in the Ioniq. Toyota was working on a car with a six speed shifter and a clutch. I don’t even care if it’s simulated shifting, I’d still get one. This article is from 2023, but it has more info on it. The manual transmission from Toyota is expected to go to production this year I think. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45754176/toyota-manual-ev-prototype-drive/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kushan@fedinsfw.app 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are no gears on an EV. They just go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago And man, do they go! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And a cool loud exhaust to attract women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 3 months ago Essential for compensation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago No f off with manual gears. They are unnecessary and make driving complicated. I hat that in my country manual gear cars are the norm, especially for compact cars. That limits massively the options I have if I'm looking to change my car and also makes me comparatively pay more. Prolly one of the very few things the US has done right, namely the proliferation of cars with automatic gears. It is just so freakin more comfortable to drive an automatic than it is a manual, especially for driving within cities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (4 children) Do EVs even have transmissions? I ask this legitimately, I know shit for dick about cars beyond how to change oil permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) They have one drive reduction gear, just one speed, no shifting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm gonna have to ask what that means. Cars are just something my autism just does not comprehend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Internal combustion engines are very picky about how fast they spin, since they get their power from burning fuel the rate at which fuel enters the cylinders to burn correlates strongly to the power they have available. And since each cycle of a cylinder burns about the same amount of fuel the faster the engine spins the more power it generates. This is why internal combustion engine vehicles have gearboxes (transmission in the US?) to ensure that you can spin the engine fast even while the wheels are slow) or stopped) so you have enough power to start the car. Electric motors by contrast generate power through the strength of their electromagnetic fields, which is just how much current gets pushed through the electromagnets. How fast the motor spins just changes how fast the electronics have to "move" the generated field without changing the strength, so you get similar power even at slow speeds. So electric motors have enough torque at low speed that you can start your car without needing a gearbox. Note: this post is a gross simplification and probably mis-uses some terminology but it should give a general understanding of why the transmissions are different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Okay pretend they are trains without tracks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children) They have one drive reduction gear, just one speed, no shifting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm gonna have to ask what that means. Cars are just something my autism just does not comprehend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Internal combustion engines are very picky about how fast they spin, since they get their power from burning fuel the rate at which fuel enters the cylinders to burn correlates strongly to the power they have available. And since each cycle of a cylinder burns about the same amount of fuel the faster the engine spins the more power it generates. This is why internal combustion engine vehicles have gearboxes (transmission in the US?) to ensure that you can spin the engine fast even while the wheels are slow) or stopped) so you have enough power to start the car. Electric motors by contrast generate power through the strength of their electromagnetic fields, which is just how much current gets pushed through the electromagnets. How fast the motor spins just changes how fast the electronics have to "move" the generated field without changing the strength, so you get similar power even at slow speeds. So electric motors have enough torque at low speed that you can start your car without needing a gearbox. Note: this post is a gross simplification and probably mis-uses some terminology but it should give a general understanding of why the transmissions are different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Okay pretend they are trains without tracks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm gonna have to ask what that means. Cars are just something my autism just does not comprehend permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Internal combustion engines are very picky about how fast they spin, since they get their power from burning fuel the rate at which fuel enters the cylinders to burn correlates strongly to the power they have available. And since each cycle of a cylinder burns about the same amount of fuel the faster the engine spins the more power it generates. This is why internal combustion engine vehicles have gearboxes (transmission in the US?) to ensure that you can spin the engine fast even while the wheels are slow) or stopped) so you have enough power to start the car. Electric motors by contrast generate power through the strength of their electromagnetic fields, which is just how much current gets pushed through the electromagnets. How fast the motor spins just changes how fast the electronics have to "move" the generated field without changing the strength, so you get similar power even at slow speeds. So electric motors have enough torque at low speed that you can start your car without needing a gearbox. Note: this post is a gross simplification and probably mis-uses some terminology but it should give a general understanding of why the transmissions are different. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Okay pretend they are trains without tracks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago Internal combustion engines are very picky about how fast they spin, since they get their power from burning fuel the rate at which fuel enters the cylinders to burn correlates strongly to the power they have available. And since each cycle of a cylinder burns about the same amount of fuel the faster the engine spins the more power it generates. This is why internal combustion engine vehicles have gearboxes (transmission in the US?) to ensure that you can spin the engine fast even while the wheels are slow) or stopped) so you have enough power to start the car. Electric motors by contrast generate power through the strength of their electromagnetic fields, which is just how much current gets pushed through the electromagnets. How fast the motor spins just changes how fast the electronics have to "move" the generated field without changing the strength, so you get similar power even at slow speeds. So electric motors have enough torque at low speed that you can start your car without needing a gearbox. Note: this post is a gross simplification and probably mis-uses some terminology but it should give a general understanding of why the transmissions are different. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Okay pretend they are trains without tracks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dkppunk@piefed.social 7 points 3 months ago (3 children) I’d honestly love this. I don’t even care if the stick doesn’t actually switch gears and it can just give me fake engine rev sounds. I just miss driving manual and paddle shifters just aren’t the same. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] JayGray91@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N wowed the cartubers crowd back in 2024/25 because it simulated a lot of the driving feel of gas cars. Maybe keep an eye on Hyundai. Edit: although I don't think they have simulated stick shifting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I don't know why they turned their station wagon into a sports EV, and then waited like 3 years to do it with their sedan. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dkppunk@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) They were doing paddle shifters in the Ioniq. Toyota was working on a car with a six speed shifter and a clutch. I don’t even care if it’s simulated shifting, I’d still get one. This article is from 2023, but it has more info on it. The manual transmission from Toyota is expected to go to production this year I think. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45754176/toyota-manual-ev-prototype-drive/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JayGray91@piefed.social 3 points 3 months ago* (2 children) The Hyundai Ioniq 5 N wowed the cartubers crowd back in 2024/25 because it simulated a lot of the driving feel of gas cars. Maybe keep an eye on Hyundai. Edit: although I don't think they have simulated stick shifting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I don't know why they turned their station wagon into a sports EV, and then waited like 3 years to do it with their sedan. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dkppunk@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) They were doing paddle shifters in the Ioniq. Toyota was working on a car with a six speed shifter and a clutch. I don’t even care if it’s simulated shifting, I’d still get one. This article is from 2023, but it has more info on it. The manual transmission from Toyota is expected to go to production this year I think. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45754176/toyota-manual-ev-prototype-drive/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I don't know why they turned their station wagon into a sports EV, and then waited like 3 years to do it with their sedan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dkppunk@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) They were doing paddle shifters in the Ioniq. Toyota was working on a car with a six speed shifter and a clutch. I don’t even care if it’s simulated shifting, I’d still get one. This article is from 2023, but it has more info on it. The manual transmission from Toyota is expected to go to production this year I think. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a45754176/toyota-manual-ev-prototype-drive/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kushan@fedinsfw.app 4 points 3 months ago (1 child) There are no gears on an EV. They just go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago And man, do they go! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago And man, do they go! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) And a cool loud exhaust to attract women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 3 months ago Essential for compensation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jiral@lemmy.org 1 point 3 months ago Essential for compensation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago No f off with manual gears. They are unnecessary and make driving complicated. I hat that in my country manual gear cars are the norm, especially for compact cars. That limits massively the options I have if I'm looking to change my car and also makes me comparatively pay more. Prolly one of the very few things the US has done right, namely the proliferation of cars with automatic gears. It is just so freakin more comfortable to drive an automatic than it is a manual, especially for driving within cities. permalink fedilink source parent