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[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago

Seems pretty legit to me. Must be if people aren't up in arms about

Seth Meyers gesturing at everything

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago

People support US police budgets for the same reason they support gun laws, mass deportation, fear of black or brown people when white people are becoming the minority in some regions.

It all reached a critical point with Obama.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

"People weren't willing to throw their lives away in the people grinder machine, that means they fully support the people grinder machine"

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -3 points 22 hours ago

Unironically yes. People should learn what it means to permit their government to ignore their wishes.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 21 hours ago

People should, but I'm kind of tired of all the keyboard warriors thinking that lack of blood on the streets equals lack of action and explicit approval, especially when they have no skin in the fight themselves.

It's some of the most absurd shit. "I don't see you actively hunting down child abusers, so you must be a pedophile" ass opinions.

It's easy to call for others to die for a cause, and that's a large part of what led to the situation we're in now. People sitting back and sentencing others to pay for their desires.

[-] binux@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

It’s some of the most absurd shit. “I don’t see you actively hunting down child abusers, so you must be a pedophile” ass opinions.

Maybe so, but it's also absurd to think that because the members of the population aren't the ones actively making decisions, they don't assume a proportionate amount of the guilt. Governments are nothing without their constituents, in fact they are shaped by them. It's understandable to be hesitant toward action, that's human. But to do all these mental gymnastics to avoid accepting part of the responsibility for what the US is like right now is disingenuous if not being blind to reality.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I think you, and many others, believe that US citizens have far greater control over our "representatives" than we actually do. We literally have no recourse (outside of the ammo box or absurd amounts of money) against a politician taking office and doing exactly the opposite of what they campaigned on, besides waiting for their term to be over.

Due to tons of laws built up over many years, the only way to get a seat at the table is money, and all the community fundraising in the world isn't going to outspend corporate interests.

Look, I don't have the time or the energy to debate club out all the issues with the US governmental system to the rigid expectations of everyone outside of it with an opinion. People make lifelong careers just trying to explain the mess to people living within it. You clearly have a strong opinion that the collective population of the US isn't doing enough for whatever metric you have, and I'm not even trying to argue against that.

I just think it's absolutely rich to try and assign blame to the proletariat for hesitating to throw their bodies on the corpse pile from thousands of miles away, or even from right here but sitting on your ass taking no action yourself. And no amount of admonishing, debate club bullshit, mental gymnastics, semantics lawyering, philosophy 101, specific individual cases where my generalized statements are untrue, or whatever anyone can bring to bear is going to change my opinion that "If you're so invested in this, grab a cheap plane ticket and get to work on it yourself instead of trying to guilt others into shedding blood."


I'm not denying the responsibility of the people, where we can effect change. I'm simply stating that the area which we can effect is small and not going to make news broadcasts. Basing your take on the will of a country's people on the multiple times distilled and removed news broadcasts that make it out is just silly.

This will be my last comment in this thread. It's clear that many people here simply want an easy outlet for their frustrations about the US government and have decided the populace is the problem, rather than the systems of wealth and social inequality which are global at this point.

[-] binux@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

We literally have no recourse (outside of the ammo box or absurd amounts of money) against a politician taking office and doing exactly the opposite of what they campaigned on, besides waiting for their term to be over.

Fair enough, this problem is prevalent in a lot of other countries too. But again, a government is nothing without the people. There's nothing (in theory) stopping the sensible majority from making their gripes known and felt at the very least. It might feel like speaking into a vacuum, but political systems do respond to pressure, even if it's negatively. Furthermore, these problems don't come about purely through malicious politicians, constituents are either complicit or they don't take the time to understand the implications. It's harsh, I know, but it's true. This is a universal human problem, and it doesn't necessarily make anyone a bad person.

Due to tons of laws built up over many years, the only way to get a seat at the table is money, and all the community fundraising in the world isn’t going to outspend corporate interests.

Again, constituents have a part in this. We're associating a lack of direct participation in the build-up of these laws with innocence, which isn't necessarily true. Across US history, people with the means to do so had every opportunity to push back against this.

You clearly have a strong opinion that the collective population of the US isn’t doing enough for whatever metric you have...

Not true, at least not entirely. It would be unfair to indict the US population as a whole for not taking enough action, as I said it's human to be hesitant in that regard. The point I'm trying to make is that many people, especially US citizens, seem to victimize Americans and thereby deny that they have any agency. Which, unless we're trying to get philosophical, simply isn't true, or is at least a little disingenuous. I'd be far more accepting of the lack of action if this group were to own Americans' implicit part in their country and its actions.

I just think it’s absolutely rich to try and assign blame to the proletariat for hesitating to throw their bodies on the corpse pile from thousands of miles away, or even from right here but sitting on your ass taking no action yourself.

Again, not I'm not "blaming the proletariat". They have a part in current events. That much is undeniable. To say otherwise would be to separate the mitochondria from its responsibility to the cell, which as anyone who understands a little biology would know that doesn't tend to work out.

If you’re so invested in this, grab a cheap plane ticket and get to work on it yourself instead of trying to guilt others into shedding blood.

Did you actually read my comment? I'm not trying to goad anyone into a revolution.

Basing your take on the will of a country’s people on the multiple times distilled and removed news broadcasts that make it out is just silly.

Well this is just outright strawmanning my point. My argument comes from my understanding of how the government and people work in tandem across all nations, not what I'm observing from the US specifically. The government is an extension of its people and how they've come to react to their environment, it's no different with the US. Governments aren't this separate organism that guides and/or terrorizes the populous. They're (typically) made up of members of the populous itself. They are quite literally dependent on each other.

Look, I get you're frustrated, and I'm sure that you see a lot of unjust hatred and blame directed towards Americans and you're understandably retaliating against that. But this isn't just because of a general lack of understanding for American politics. It's because (essentially for the first time) Americans are taking the heat from foreign countries' citizens that they've been (though not universally) throwing toward other countries with shitty governments in an equally ignorant and misplaced manner. This is world politics, baby. People can be pretty stupid with it. Though it certainly doesn't help that the US is a global hegemony, so there's a proportionally higher amount of pressure placed on the country to not screw anything up. And the past 1.5 years or so have been the biggest American screw-up in a long, long time, if not ever. So there's really no question that there'll be even more of it to come, especially if/when it gets even worse. I do wish you luck though, you seem to be a reasonable American. I hope the people who deserve it get what's coming to them so you and others can pick up from there.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

And I am sick of americans pretending nothing can be done and that their stupid nation is somehow different then the rest of the world. Do you know how fucking frustrating it is watching a nation collapse and try to take the world down with it all while the same people that expected people in the middle east to rise up and fight their oppressor sit on their fat asses and get offended when anyone asks literally anything from them? We all world wide have skin in this game, and you are all sitting around stating that the fucking self proclaimed world police does not concern us?!

Like wholly flying fuck sticks, but if your are being told often enough that a real nation would be full on in revolt to tire you out.... YOU MIGHT BE PART OF THE ISSUE.

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