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[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 103 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change, doing nothing will totally solve this problem.

It certainly solved it when they did exactly that the last elections. I mean, israhell is not genociding gaza anymore, and prices are down... right?

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[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 30 points 2 weeks ago

Every single person you berate for "not voting for imperfect candidates" already fucking does it. You're bashing people on your own team for the purpose of punching left. But every time we try to push on the fucking PRIMARY for a candidate that isn't complete dogshit, you fucks sabotage them at every turn, and then act surprised when you lose because you forced the bad unimpressive corporate candidate forth due to "electability" and red scare bullshit.

Progressives as a collective are not marxist-leninists. Stop treating us like we are. MLs spend 16 hours a day being loud in the internet, most of us actual progressives have actual lives and organize IRL instead of wanking over Marx and telling Ukranian children they're Nazis on social media.

[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

No, they don't already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn't have that problem.

Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies, they fucking suck and they need to know we want progressives not the crap they are parading around, but this meme isn't doing that, it's just sending the message that it's pointless to try, it feels like right wing created content to keep people from bothering to vote at all, and when you look at the numbers, that's exactly what's happening.

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

As a criticism of the DNC, the meme's pretty close to the truth, even if it does inspire apathy -- like Lucy yanking the football away every time, it's the DNC who sabotage nominees who intend to implement effective change of the system.

But since there's no other viable ball to kick, the electorate need to kick anyway -- and spend the rest of the time organizing on a national level and engaging politically on a local level to shitcan Lucy. (This metaphor isn't especially extensible!)

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies,

All criticism is welcome except any particular criticism.

but this meme isn’t doing that, it’s just sending the message that it’s pointless to try

No, the party sends that message. The meme just details the mechanism by which they send it.

[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

American reading comprehension being under a 6th grade level doing the heavy lifting here, huh? The context of the original comic is Lucy yanking the ball away before Charlie has the chance to kick it. The lesson is that Charlie shouldn't stop trying to kick the ball, it's that Lucy should stop being an asshole by taking it. This is not trying to lower turnout for the DNC, this is trying to sarcastically say this manipulative shit doesn't work and doesn't increase turnout. It's doing the fucking opposite of what you're saying.

Plenty of candidates have won despite a multitude of criticism towards them. If your candidate can't beat anyone because of those criticisms, then they were a weak candidate anyways.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Also it's important to realize that Charlie Brown is a good-natured sucker being taken advantage of by a manipulative person.

Eventually even the most gullible suckers give up.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

You're spot on and these downvotes are EXACTLY why things are the way they are.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

No, they don’t already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn’t have that problem.

This is a comforting lie educated liberals tell themselves. The truth is that today, the Democratic party represents voters who vote more reliably, while the Republicans represent more disengaged infrequent voters. This changed over the last decade or so, but people haven't gotten the memo. It used to be that Republicans did better in low-turnout elections. But now the opposite is true. Republicans now thrive on low-information, low-engagement voters - the exact type of voters that would vote more in your scenario of everyone turning out. If everyone had voted in 2024, Trump would have won by an even larger margin.

This makes sense if you think about it. Today, Democrats' real only message is, "vote strategically, we aren't Republicans." They offer very little of actual substance beyond not being Trump. Low-engagement voters aren't going to care about your message of not being Trump. They don't have the same loyalties regular voters do. And they're not going to educate themselves on things like Project 2025.

Trump won low-engagement voters because he had simple direct messages that could reach them. Trump was going to put money in your pocket and clamp down on crime. That was his message. That was what he offered. Harris offered "I'm not Trump." To a well-educated liberal, not being Trump is enough, as you pay attention to politics and know exactly what kind of evil shit Trump has gotten up to. But "I'm not Trump" doesn't work for the low-engagement voters vital to win an election.

[-] starik@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you. There are a lot of dumbasses on the left who don’t vote, or throw their votes away on hopeless third parties.

[-] BabyVi@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

If ya'll run Gavin Newsom, I'm out.

No joke, Newsom is a BAD candidate, he's not even pretending to be progressive, he's your typical neo-liberal corporatist.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

What, why, do you hate sick memes!? /s

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you.

Tell me you've never criticized the centrist wing of the party without saying you've never criticized the centrist wing of the party.

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[-] bobdylans49thbeard@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Except when we criticize the shit the DNC pulls you all show up and say, "oh, you just don't want people to vote?!?!"

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

Did you see this post? Its not about voting in primaries. It's about not participating because the ball is going to be pulled out in front of you. Yes, vote in primaries. Also, vote in the general for the best candidate.

You say everyone already votes in the general, but that's blatantly not true. There's an especially rampant trolling effort to get people not to vote who would vote against Republicans. It's strategic apathy. It happened last time, and it's happening now. If you don't see this, you're blind.

[-] KentNavalesi@mstdn.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

@Cethin @SalamenceFury

The Democratic party's support for genocide makes it really hard to tell where the legitimate criticism ends and the trolling begins.

And that's nobody's fault but theirs.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change

Bad people in power make sure change isn't on the ballot.

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