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[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 103 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change, doing nothing will totally solve this problem.

It certainly solved it when they did exactly that the last elections. I mean, israhell is not genociding gaza anymore, and prices are down... right?

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[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 30 points 3 weeks ago

Every single person you berate for "not voting for imperfect candidates" already fucking does it. You're bashing people on your own team for the purpose of punching left. But every time we try to push on the fucking PRIMARY for a candidate that isn't complete dogshit, you fucks sabotage them at every turn, and then act surprised when you lose because you forced the bad unimpressive corporate candidate forth due to "electability" and red scare bullshit.

Progressives as a collective are not marxist-leninists. Stop treating us like we are. MLs spend 16 hours a day being loud in the internet, most of us actual progressives have actual lives and organize IRL instead of wanking over Marx and telling Ukranian children they're Nazis on social media.

[-] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

No, they don't already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn't have that problem.

Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies, they fucking suck and they need to know we want progressives not the crap they are parading around, but this meme isn't doing that, it's just sending the message that it's pointless to try, it feels like right wing created content to keep people from bothering to vote at all, and when you look at the numbers, that's exactly what's happening.

[-] egrets@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

As a criticism of the DNC, the meme's pretty close to the truth, even if it does inspire apathy -- like Lucy yanking the football away every time, it's the DNC who sabotage nominees who intend to implement effective change of the system.

But since there's no other viable ball to kick, the electorate need to kick anyway -- and spend the rest of the time organizing on a national level and engaging politically on a local level to shitcan Lucy. (This metaphor isn't especially extensible!)

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies,

All criticism is welcome except any particular criticism.

but this meme isn’t doing that, it’s just sending the message that it’s pointless to try

No, the party sends that message. The meme just details the mechanism by which they send it.

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 63 points 3 weeks ago

a lot of people assuming that the implied message of the meme is "Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the ball" instead of "Lucy should stop pulling the ball away"

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The best solution would be for Charlie Brown to kick Lucy and run the ball himself. (This is a metaphor for primarying sitting Democrats.)

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[-] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 43 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Don't blame the voters for the results of dishonest or nonexistent primaries.

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[-] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, sorry I missed the primaries in 2024, which presidential candidate did you vote for in said primary?

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[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 16 points 3 weeks ago

Look at what happened to Mamdani.

[-] mrmaplebar@fedia.io 30 points 3 weeks ago
[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes.

IN SPITE OF THE DNC TRYING TO TORPEDO HIM WITH ANDREW “SEX CRIMINAL” CUOMO.

When Democrats say “you should have voted in the primary” what they mean is they’re going to put their thumb on the scale to get their candidate nominated and expect you to vote for them even if they don’t have a single progressive position.

No one owes Democrats their vote. Democrats need to earn votes. You can do that, by, I don’t know, running a progressive candidate. Progressive policies are wildly popular and will win elections. Liberal Democrats won’t. Especially the ones constantly chasing those elusive centrist ~~donors~~ voters.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I dunno...

Voting for "the lesser evil" does have a proven track record of overthrowing the two party system...

Marxism–Leninism holds that a two-stage communist revolution is needed to replace capitalism. A vanguard party, organized through democratic centralism, would seize power on behalf of the proletariat and establish a one-party communist state. The state would control the means of production, suppress opposition, counter-revolution, and the bourgeoisie, and promote Soviet collectivism, to pave the way for an eventual communist society that would be classless and stateless.[12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism%E2%80%93Leninism

How many elections has Jill Stein ran in?

When's the last time a third party candidate even came close?

Why keep trying that when it keeps failing?

I think the real stall, has been the people furthest left in both of the two parties have been convinced to leave.

"Moderate" Republicans became neoliberals, and when they chased off the commies to third parties, we were left with two right wing parties.

We need the commies to start voting like Stalin always wanted them to, but today's commies only know propaganda, they don't know any history.

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And obviously for the neoliberals to go back to the Republican party primaries to pull them back to the center

[-] zoloftt@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

Nations are made of people, that make local gov, that make state govs. We need to change the smallest part that makes up the rest of the machine before you can "fix" the 2 party system.

Everyone keeps taking about the DNC like it is some colossus. We can either change it to our liking or make our own, but either way it starts by changing the smallest parts first.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yep

The problem is for a lot of people, they've only known a corrupt DNC.

The only purpose of the DNC, is supposed to be to run an unbiased presidential primary every four years, that's literally it. The Democratic party should be "bottom up" like you describe.

This one is staying out of other primaries, but endorsing everyone that makes it to the general. Which is fine, the party shouldn't be picking sides in any primary

It has no ethical reason for billions of dollars, so it's been pumping all of it back to state parties who desperately need it.

They're not lock and step with billionaire owned media, because why the fuck should they be?

People look at the DNC right now and are mad "it's not doing anything".

While at the same time saying unprompted that the problem has been the DNC was doing too much.

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[-] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Regardless of your politics, you need to vote for the best result in the system we have.

In the "first past the post" single-ballot-plurality-wins contests that dominate in America, anything but a vote for the runner up is an endorsement of the eventual winner.

For most Americans, the only real choices in the general elections are "R", "D", and "either".

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[-] snooggums@piefed.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

When’s the last time a third party candidate even came close?

Ross Perot got nearly 20% of the vote in 1992 but none of the electoral college votes because the system design naturally leads to a two party system.

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[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 32 points 3 weeks ago

the GOP are too dangerous right now

Right now? When are they NOT dangerous?

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Americans need to organize themselves out of 2 party system. It's the only way and funnily enough - it would be a much more of an american system because US is all about competition, right?

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[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

"the left should have a united front and stop dividing itself!"

So.... Vote for the one viable opposition party?

"No not like that"

[-] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The Democrats are a right-wing party.

They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.

They aren't the fucking opposition, and they're certainly not the fucking left.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah here we go. Six months before an election we crank up the sirens that another way not only exists (despite it not existing), but that it’s clearly folly to support the one progressive option that’s actually on the ballot.

[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Actually, you can just vote for a progressive in the primary instead of a corporate democrat who will do effectively nothing against the GOP and won't prosecute anyone in the Trump administration and fail just like Reconstruction. Crazy, isn't it?

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[-] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago

Vote. Vote in local things. Spend a few minutes reading about encumbants or ballot measures. Don't be spurred to inaction.

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[-] jeniferariza@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

At some point, ‘next election’ can’t keep replacing real action people need right now.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

Uh Oh you dared to criticize the DNC and now you've angered the blue maga. Don't you know that anyone who questions the neoliberal corporate talking points is the reason fascism is rising and nothing else at all?

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[-] SalamenceFury@piefed.social 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As long as everyone collectively doesn't decide to primary every incumbent corporate Democrat and put a progressive in their places, this will keep happening. So far a bunch of them have already won. We need more.

Anyways, the comic context is that Lucy is taking the ball away before Charlie can kick it. This isn't about not doing anything. It's about the DNC manipulating the voters into doing what they want and then yanking away their promise.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone have that ratcheting effect graphic lol?

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[-] tristynalxander@mander.xyz 20 points 2 weeks ago

The United States is a Electoral Oligarchy, not a democratic republic.

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