▲ 939 ▼ Lemmy's political discourse when Republicans gutted the Voting Rights Act yesterday: (thelemmy.club) submitted 4 months ago by Godric@lemmy.world to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world 473 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 53 points 4 months ago (4 children) Do you not care about GENOCIDE??? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] blarth 33 points 4 months ago (4 children) Genocide Joe! Making sure the party that continually starts new wars in the Middle East gets elected will surely help my cause! “Yeah but you support GENOCIDE!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (2 children) You say 'Genocide Joe!' like he didn't actually support and enthusiastically aid a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zeejoo 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing he wasn't on the ballot then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] sweetiesweetie@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You probably also don't know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out. But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago "If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe, I'd been married long time 'go..." permalink fedilink source parent [+] sweetiesweetie@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 24 points 4 months ago (6 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 months ago* (6 children) I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes: The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two There are more splits off of each subsequent path Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that) If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago But hey, that's just theory... GAME THEORY permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago* (1 child) i'm somewhat of a centrist so i think it's gotta be somewhere between these two: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (4 children) i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil. The stakes are the future of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (16 children) Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago Can you explain this to me like I'm dumb? Cause I am. Is this making fun of the people who choose someone who's literally not connected to the track? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] wpb@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (7 children) So, actually that question though? Genocide used to be a really, really bad thing, and here you're making light of it. I feel like people have lost the plot a bit if they talk about an actual genocide like this. "Yeah, sure they committed a bit of genocide, but have you seen the other guy?" I feel like I'm losing my mind permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We have had years of constant video footage of it happening. Being desensitized is bound to happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) I don't know what kind of person could look at parents being handed the remains of their child in plastic baggies and at any point in their life go "oh wow are they still going on about the genocide?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That isn’t what they were saying tho. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn't compute. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Yes, genocide is bad. You know what's worse? MORE genocide. That's what we got from people not voting because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If you market yourself as being against fascism, maybe don't vehemently support a different fascist regime and shout down anyone who questions it. The fact that people like you are spending your energy getting pissy with the voters and not the fucking Democratic party who refused to change their stance is fucking insane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] blarth 33 points 4 months ago (4 children) Genocide Joe! Making sure the party that continually starts new wars in the Middle East gets elected will surely help my cause! “Yeah but you support GENOCIDE!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (2 children) You say 'Genocide Joe!' like he didn't actually support and enthusiastically aid a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zeejoo 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing he wasn't on the ballot then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] sweetiesweetie@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You probably also don't know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out. But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago "If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe, I'd been married long time 'go..." permalink fedilink source parent [+] sweetiesweetie@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (2 children) You say 'Genocide Joe!' like he didn't actually support and enthusiastically aid a genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] zeejoo 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing he wasn't on the ballot then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] sweetiesweetie@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You probably also don't know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out. But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] zeejoo 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing he wasn't on the ballot then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] sweetiesweetie@lemmy.today 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You probably also don't know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out. But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (2 children) Good thing the candidate that was on the ballot wasn’t associated with him or his administration in any way and also vigorously denounced genocide at every opportunity! Right? … right?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You probably also don't know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out. But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LostCarcosan@lemmy.today 8 points 4 months ago (1 child) Right, Harris sucked. So glad I didn't vote and Trump won instead. That has worked out so much better for Iran and the rest of the world, too. Could you imagine even trying to justify voting in the last election?!?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago (3 children) Oops, that damn goalpost keeps moving around! Better tie it down! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent [–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] neatchee@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago the goal post has never moved from "try to leave the world better because of me or worse in spite of me, rather than better in spite of me or worse because of me" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago What goalpost? The goal is to make things better than other alternatives. Harris was better than Trump. It was a choice between the two. It's very simple. How do people not get that? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Freeposity@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You probably also don't know that Kamala was the only one who could legally step in once Biden dropped out. But sure, blame her for the handcuffs that were placed on her. Fuck that bitch. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago "If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe, I'd been married long time 'go..." permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 24 points 4 months ago (6 children) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 months ago* (6 children) I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes: The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two There are more splits off of each subsequent path Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that) If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago But hey, that's just theory... GAME THEORY permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago* (1 child) i'm somewhat of a centrist so i think it's gotta be somewhere between these two: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (4 children) i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil. The stakes are the future of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (16 children) Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies) [–] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago Can you explain this to me like I'm dumb? Cause I am. Is this making fun of the people who choose someone who's literally not connected to the track? permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 4 months ago (1 child) It must be so nice having worldviews that can be fully encapsulated by trolley memes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 months ago* (6 children) I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes: The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two There are more splits off of each subsequent path Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that) If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago But hey, that's just theory... GAME THEORY permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Well first you gotta gimme an example of one that wouldn’t fit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 months ago* (6 children) I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes: The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two There are more splits off of each subsequent path Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that) If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago But hey, that's just theory... GAME THEORY permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 4 months ago* (6 children) I guess the view that I want to articulate could be represented as a trolley meme with the following changes: The lever has only some unknown probability of steering the trolley's path Millions of other people also influence the lever to degrees which are unknown The track splits into at least 10 different paths instead of two There are more splits off of each subsequent path Each path also produces benefits to some actors (not sure how we'd represent that) If I try to simplify these changes, though, then maybe I could depict my view a bit like this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago But hey, that's just theory... GAME THEORY permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 months ago (1 child) Ngl I seen trolly memes set up like this before :p permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago Perhaps I should have said "worldviews that can be encapsulated by single-junction trolley memes", lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 points 4 months ago But hey, that's just theory... GAME THEORY permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago* (1 child) i'm somewhat of a centrist so i think it's gotta be somewhere between these two: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (4 children) i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil. The stakes are the future of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) Those are both encapsulated at the bottom of the meme! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (4 children) i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil. The stakes are the future of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago (4 children) i mean not really, it's not out of moralism that i choose not to vote for genocidal warmonger red/blue, in fact the moralism is thinking voting for genocidaires is 'pragmatic'. not to mention continuing to votescold people over a year later lmao organizing outside electoralism builds actual power. voting for slightly different managers of the same bloodthirsty war machine doesn't permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil. The stakes are the future of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Godric@lemmy.world [S] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) While organizing outside electoralism is great, electoralism is still the primary way power is apportioned in this country. Abandoning electoralism is ceding power to people who will use it for evil. The stakes are the future of the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago (1 child) if the 'future of the world' hinges on genociding an expendible out-group and the system is powerless to change that, then i choose to walk away from omelas permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrSpArkle@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 child) Congratulations on standing by your principles instead of by your morals. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago voting against genocide and organizing outside a system which can't stop empowering genocidal warmongers is actually in line with both my principles and my morals permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago* (16 children) Needs to be updated to add the Iranian flag to the GOP track. Man, do I wish there were a realistic way to choose that bottom track! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments load more comments (16 replies)
[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 3 points 4 months ago Can you explain this to me like I'm dumb? Cause I am. Is this making fun of the people who choose someone who's literally not connected to the track? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (7 children) So, actually that question though? Genocide used to be a really, really bad thing, and here you're making light of it. I feel like people have lost the plot a bit if they talk about an actual genocide like this. "Yeah, sure they committed a bit of genocide, but have you seen the other guy?" I feel like I'm losing my mind permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We have had years of constant video footage of it happening. Being desensitized is bound to happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) I don't know what kind of person could look at parents being handed the remains of their child in plastic baggies and at any point in their life go "oh wow are they still going on about the genocide?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That isn’t what they were saying tho. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn't compute. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Yes, genocide is bad. You know what's worse? MORE genocide. That's what we got from people not voting because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If you market yourself as being against fascism, maybe don't vehemently support a different fascist regime and shout down anyone who questions it. The fact that people like you are spending your energy getting pissy with the voters and not the fucking Democratic party who refused to change their stance is fucking insane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) We have had years of constant video footage of it happening. Being desensitized is bound to happen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) I don't know what kind of person could look at parents being handed the remains of their child in plastic baggies and at any point in their life go "oh wow are they still going on about the genocide?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That isn’t what they were saying tho. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn't compute. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 child) I don't know what kind of person could look at parents being handed the remains of their child in plastic baggies and at any point in their life go "oh wow are they still going on about the genocide?" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That isn’t what they were saying tho. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn't compute. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) That isn’t what they were saying tho. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn't compute. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wpb@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago No, no one is saying those words exactly. But I see the sentiment be expressed in threads like this over and over, and it just doesn't compute. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 months ago (1 child) Yes, genocide is bad. You know what's worse? MORE genocide. That's what we got from people not voting because of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If you market yourself as being against fascism, maybe don't vehemently support a different fascist regime and shout down anyone who questions it. The fact that people like you are spending your energy getting pissy with the voters and not the fucking Democratic party who refused to change their stance is fucking insane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 5 points 4 months ago (3 children) If you market yourself as being against fascism, maybe don't vehemently support a different fascist regime and shout down anyone who questions it. The fact that people like you are spending your energy getting pissy with the voters and not the fucking Democratic party who refused to change their stance is fucking insane. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)