Constructive Criticism: A Handbook Speaking & Listening More Effectively in Personal Relations, Groups, & Political Activities By Vicki Legion (Gracie Lyons), 1976
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I'm extremely happy to educate and be constructive but it always comes with important caveats. A person must be willing to learn, if they're not willing to learn you can not have a constructive conversation with them. This doesn't have to be blind agreement, sometimes it can be just sheer curiosity as to how someone can have the views that we do, how those views can be so incredibly different to their own and a real honest inquiry into how we arrived at them.
If a person doesn't have that then I give them the most negative experience I can give them so that when they come to the next leftist they reconsider their approach to that leftist and this next comrade gets a person who is willing to have a more honest conversation. In essence, setting up the next person. I find the sheer aggression I have can sometimes inspire some people to try a curious tone on the spot, if not the person I was talking to then someone else will interjet with a more useful tone for conversation and I will change my behaviour immediately to one that speaks eloquently and is clearly capable of deep conversation to generate more curiosity about how passionately angry and rude I was moments before.
It's quite a deliberate act and not my usual daily character because you don't get the same problems in person that you do in text, I can carry a conversation in a totally different way in person. Online I have a very specific goal in interactions and it's to get to a useful conversational tone for the other side to actually learn something instead of having 100 anti-tankie barriers between me and anything that resembles an original thought in their head.
Yeah what you said makes sense to me
What I see happening on this site is that any take that is less than the most radical position available will very often be at risk of ridicule or hostility right off the bat, even among long time members of the community who are operating off of a similar set of information.
A prominent example of this I notice in Mamdani threads where a bunch of users want to snap off a "fell for it again award" at the earliest possible opportunity. It has sometimes been thrown at other site users with a strawman of "you really thought he was going to be the next Lenin but you were wrong! [Idiot!]“. For some it is important to demonstrate that they are the leftest leftist in the room, rather than have a nuanced discussion. This turns existing users away from our community.
Another example occurs when people, usually on federated accounts, post something ignorant compared to the Hexbear party line. I notice that some people are quick to post ppb at the first opportunity and demean their thinking, rather than offer them an opportunity to engage with something that is more developed (further to the left). I think we should hesitate until they really demonstrate obstinance, maybe even offering two chances to show a willingness to engage before going in with the dogpile. This eagerness to dunk turns away prospective users (which is a problem because the userbase has been contracting for quite some time).
Based on what you wrote, I don't think you are part of the problem.
I definitely come across aggressive at times. But it's always a very calculated kind. I'm not one to just be that way for the sake of it, I have a reason and a purpose in doing it. It's carrot and stick at a holistic level where I acknowledge to myself I am not the only leftist a person is going to speak to in their lives. If I can't get through to someone, then my goal is to make it so that the next leftist doesn't get the same interaction I just had. We are collectively a team and we can think of our engagement with others as passing on the baton, if a conversation is not ideal it is possible to help the next leftist have a better setup. Even in some cases if I have to take the fall and look bad to achieve it.
I've had success shaming people into submission (not on hexbear), for me the trick was to not directly insult their intelligence or inherent character, but only attack their views or attitude, and strictly along moral lines, not "does it make sense or not" which is just an indirect insult. People will take a lot of abuse as long as you don't call them an idiot
Yes I am fond of this. I'm particularly fond of pointing out that I think a person is smarter than they pretend to be on the internet. A lot of people say really stupid things to hold on to something they want to argue, when they are not in fact stupid people but are simply in the reddit debate pervert mindset. The things they say are ridiculous, they themselves are usually quite able to see how ridiculous the things they say are too. It's possible to be a flatterer while also attacking.