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Edit: As @bdonvr@thelemmy.club points out below

  1. This is just a mascot and is not a new logo
  2. The blog referencing Mozilla’s statement on the mascots gender says, (he/she/they/them/it), use whatever pronoun you prefer.
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[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Most people default to "this entity is male" without more context. I do it too, it's a bit of an issue I try to be aware of but regularly fail. Male is default, female is marked; that's why the stereotypical "girl" character in video games is just the "boy" character but with eye lashes and lips and maybe high heels. (And non-binary doesn't exist, obv /s)

So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.

Edit: I don't have the spoons to elaborate on "male is default". Can someone else maybe jump in? Thx.

Its a fucking cartoon logo, I've never once thought about its gender identity or called it any gender for that matter. I click on it, and that's the extent of my interaction or consideration.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org -1 points 3 days ago

Yes, cool. It's awareness.

[-] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 10 points 3 days ago

Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context.

I have a hard time wrapping my head about this sentence. I don't think about the gender of any entity without more context because it's usually completely irrelevant.

Male is default, female is marked

So, I didn't grow up in an english speaking country, but if I hear "the baker" I don't automatically assume it's a man. I think it's a person that bakes bread and pastry. The same with "the mechanic", "the engineer", etc. It's all - by default - a person.

Now, if we were to talk german, there is actually a difference. As "the baker", for example, we have "Bäcker" as Male and "Bäckerin" as female. The reason why male is "the default" in german is because it's shorter. That's it. If you say "Der Bäcker", it's as you'd say "the baker" in english, you don't automatically make an assumption about the gender. If you say "Die Bäckerin", you are referring to a female baker specifically.

So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.

Honestly this feels more like a mockery of people that identify as non-binary than raising any kind of awareness. Kinda has some "apache combat helicopter" vibes.

[-] stray@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

I grew up in a very male-as-default English-speaking culture. Any animal, robot, or plant would be referred to as it or he, unless that creature/thing has additional female markers such as wearing pink, makeup, etc.

For examples look at the designs of Mickey and Minnie Mouse or Babs and Buster Bunny. If you draw a little blob with eyes, people will say "He's/It's cute." If you put a pink bow on it, they will say "She's cute."

You can even look at the word "woman" itself. "Man" originally just meant any person, but "woman" was invented to speak specifically about a "wife-man." Going to your German examples, why did they make special words for female bakers, etc. and none for male bakers? It's because male is the default and female is a deviation from that norm. You don't need a special word to describe the default assumption.

There's this old riddle:

A father and son are in a car accident. The father dies at the scene, and the son is rushed to the hospital. When he is taken into the operating room, the surgeon says, "I can't operate on this boy! He's my son!" How is this possible?

It plays on one's assumptions about gender.

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

They're not talking about language with the male-as-default, but rather for example this:

The depiction with less discerning features is what we assume to be male. If you want to express female, you have to add a dress or long hair or curves etc..
There's actual scientific research on this bias existing, although I don't know in what way this extends to animal depictions.

[-] ttyybb@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

And non-binary doesn't exist, obv /s

If not binary then how made of 1s and 0s?

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago

Have you ever seen 1s and 0s out in the real world, outside your smarty-pants books? Thought so. Maths don't real, checkmate atheist.

[-] FellowHuman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

That highly depends on the language.

Example in Czech: Generic Fox (Liška) is a girl Generic Wolf (Vlk) is a boy

Because our words themself have genders. Fox: Liška (girl) Lišák (boy) but default if you don't knoe the sex of the animal is in this case the girl version.

This differs per language. And in german (if I'm not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.

I'm using boy/girl instead of male/female, because ... I don't know, that is how I think about it.

[-] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 3 points 3 days ago

And in german (if I’m not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.

That's true, but the grammatical gender has nothing to do with the actual gender. Nobody thinks that all foxes are male, just as nobody thinks that spoons (Der Löffel) are male or the street (Die Straße) are female. They can also change depending on the amount. For example, if we take "Haus", which means house, we say "Das Haus" if we talk about a single house, which would be neutral, but refer to multiple houses as "Die Häuser", which would be female. Nobody thinks houses become female once there's more than one tho.

[-] Nima@leminal.space 1 points 3 days ago

to be honest, 99% of people don't even think about gender at all without being prompted to. especially when it comes to mascots like the firefox logo. its a browser.

this seems like a PR move by mozilla and nothing more.

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