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[-] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As an example, let's take two hypothetical feminists, A and B.

They both actively campaign and gather support toward ending sex discrimination in hiring practices, as part of the same organization. But only B randomly accosts male strangers on the street, interrogating them about the sex ratio at their workplace, and chastising them if it isn't at least 50% female, regardless of what line of work he is in, and without consideration for whether the person actually has any hiring power.

Would you say A is more "complicit in her dehumanization" than B because she doesn't do that? And do you think B advances the organization's cause more effectively than A, by doing what she does?

[-] Gorillazrule@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago

I would make the argument that the difference between A and B is not "dialing down the feminism", but more about the general demeanor/civility/methods. You can address the issues of B without blaming it on feminism.

If you take two people who are vegan. A will sit down and talk to you about the reasons behind their choice to be vegan, and try to convince you to give veganism a try or even just reduce your meat consumption and supplement it with vegan meals. And B will get in your face and yell at you about what a horrible monster you are for eating animal products. I wouldn't say that B is "more vegan" than A. And I wouldn't say that the problem with B is that they're too vegan. The issue is with how they treat others.

[-] damnedfurry@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You can address the issues of B without blaming it on feminism.

I wouldn't 'blame it on feminism', but the ideology being the motivator for the behavior is why it makes sense to me that refraining from it would 'qualify' as 'dialing down the feminism'.

Does that make sense?

If you take two people who are vegan. A will sit down and talk to you about the reasons behind their choice to be vegan, and try to convince you to give veganism a try or even just reduce your meat consumption and supplement it with vegan meals. And B will get in your face and yell at you about what a horrible monster you are for eating animal products. I wouldn’t say that B is “more vegan” than A. And I wouldn’t say that the problem with B is that they’re too vegan.

But if someone (call them C lol) told B to 'dial down the veganism' in response to that behavior, I think the average/typical person within earshot of the exchange would obviously understand what's being communicated, and I don't think they'd be thinking C is blaming veganism itself, just criticizing B's behavior in the name of that ideology.

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