A meme counter-arguing the claim "Without a profit motive, no one would be productive!" by showing examples of unpaid productivity: Wikipedia, complex Minecraft builds, open-source code, and volunteer firefighters.
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[–] 14 points 6 months ago (21 children)

Some yeah, but undoubtedly not enough to keep it working. For example i doubt that many people enjoy working at garbage disposable or basically any waste disposal. Of course these jobs should be fully operated by machines. Or any assistant jobs in manufacturing or jobs that operate in shifts.

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  • [+] 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)
  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Do you think your uncle was in any way representative of the millions of people employed in waste disposal? The city of Birmingham's bins have gone partially uncollected for over a year due to a dispute over pay. If waste disposal workers were, in general, doing it for the love of it, they'd surely be happy to do it for minimum wage.

    Seems more likely your uncle was the odd one out, and most people need to be paid to do stinky work.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I think that mostly happens because it's a hard job and because people need money to live. If they didn't they wouldn't need more pay

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If it's so enjoyable, why don't they do it as a hobby and have a different paying job?

    To be clear, I think the answer is obviously that, to most people, it's not that enjoyable.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Because, I don't know if you're noticed, having a paying job is exhausting. The world setup in such a way that for a normal person, getting money means someone will suck every bit of life of you.
    That's, pardon the not nice metaphor, the difference between night of passionate sex and selling your ass so your pimp doesn't beat you up. Both activities can be reduced to physical aspects, but not a lot of people will ask why one is desirable and the other is less so.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Because, I don’t know if you’re noticed, having a paying job is exhausting. The world setup in such a way that for a normal person, getting money means someone will suck every bit of life of you.

    Yet most people have hobbies. So what you're saying is that working as a garbage disposal person is not enjoyable enough to generally make people want to do it every day alongside having a regular job. They'd rather play video games, or write a Lemmy frontend, or something else that's more fulfilling and doesn't stink.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    If you agree most people need to be paid to do work, then we have no disagreement on the topic at hand, so there is no need to argue at all.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    For example i doubt that many people enjoy working at garbage disposable or basically any waste disposal

    Ehhh I bet you'd be wrong. Only anecdotal obviously, but at practice and games for the kids, a lot of dads just chat when there isnt much going on. A couple of them work for the local garbage company. One of them commented that he doesnt know how I stay inside and work all day, he really enjoys being outside with the trucks in the morning, then enjoying the afternoon outside with the kids. Another one is a mechanic for them, he always thought the trucks were cool, and he still enjoys working on them (though he will 100% tell you, in great detail, which manufacturers suck for various parts). Haven't talked much with the last one about work, I think he is the only one just straight up doing it for money though.

    And who knows, maybe the guy who likes being outside says that to be positive about his choices in life, but I see him at the park with the kids a lot, I've run into him heading out to the trails on his mountain bike, etc, so I believe him that he's perfectly happy doing it.

    Automation for unwanted tasks is great though, I agree, and where automation should be focused.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    One of them commented that he doesnt know how I stay inside and work all day, he really enjoys being outside with the trucks in the morning, then enjoying the afternoon outside with the kids.

    He could be taking the local kids out for hikes in nature instead - an activity which also gets him outside, provides a benefit to society, and lets him spend time with his kid and their friends. If he didn't get paid, do you think he would prefer picking up garbage, or going on hikes with his kid? And even if he finds picking up trash meaningful now, do you think he started the job for the money, benefits, and schedule, and then learned to appreciate the good he was doing for the community after years of doing the work?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm not him so I couldn't say, but considering I know he does volunteer cleanup days at the trails, I really dont think he looks down on garbage pickup the way you and others seem to be, that its only fulfilling because of money.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Would you really trust podiatrists or proctologists who were in it just for the love of the game?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Tbh I'd kind of trust them more. Even if they got off thinking of my feet later (which, who cares, have at it), they are going to put a lot more effort and get a lot more knowledge than someone just doing it for the high billing rate, dont you think? And probably care more about the quality of my arch than the guy writing a prescription for orthotics because the manufacturer just bought him a nice dinner.

    Just because they are pervs doesnt mean they'd be bad at it, I'd say they'd be even better at it than most. Wouldn't you think?

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