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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz to c/world@lemmy.world

Why? Why would you brag about this? What possibly could this do other than destablize Iran and push it into further violence and chaos?

Oh right, that is exactly what the US and Israel wants...

Make no mistake, Trump doesn't give a fuck about the Iranian people, he and the other forces alligned here want Iran to turn into a Libya-type failed state situation.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Also, I think someone coming to power who is willing to negotiate (rather than waiting to be air-struck and replaced) is more likely than the collapse of central authority.

The Iranian government was in the middle of negotiations and the news on Friday was that a peace deal was imminent. Then the USA and Israel started bombing during their own peace negotiations.

Prior to that Iran negotiated and signed (in 2015) an agreement with the USA (under Obama) to limit their nuclear development. Trump tore that agreement up, slapped sanctions on Iran, then killed one of their most senior military leaders.

The problem isn't Iran being unwilling to negotiate. It's the USA and Israel negotiating in bad faith, then ignoring their own agreements and attacking Iran anyway.

And the USA routinely tears up its treaties with other countries too. Anyone who negotiates in good faith with the USA and expects them to keep their end of the bargain is a fool.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 day ago

I'm not happy with Trump's approach to international relations, but there's a difference between the sort of "pause nuclear program" negotiating that Iran had been doing and the sort that would ideally come out of this war, which would be "give up anti-US/anti-Israel ideology, give up ambitions of regional hegemony, and in return normalize political and economic relations" like the new Syrian government.

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago

Fuck Amerikkka, fuck the zionists, death to the western imperialists and the reactionary filth

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No one's going to give up anti-Israel ideology while they're still genociding, and Israel has no plans to stop that. And no one's giving up anti-USA or anti-Israel ideology because they carpet bombed your cities. Being bombed doesn't usually endear people to the bomber.

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Germany gave up anti-US ideology after being bombed to rubble, and Japan gave up anti-US ideology shortly after being nuked. The Middle East is different culturally, but what you're proposing is clearly not a human universal.

Consider Syria. Ahmed al-Sharaa was a jihadist but then decided that he liked being alive and in power more than he hated the US and Israel.

[-] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 4 points 22 hours ago

Germany and Japan were fascist states that went on the offensive, and both were forced into total capitulation followed by extensive programmes to uproot the fascist elements from their societies, paired with programmes to help rebuild.

Syria was primarily fighting a civil war against a dictator, not against the US and Israel.

In this case, Iran was attacked and its spiritual leader was assassinated. And as much as we dislike that guy, many Iranians did like him. Iran was then heavily bombed, including what appear to be civilian targets. There are no clear signs of widespread civil unrest that could topple the regime entirely yet.

I don't see this ending well anytime soon.

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