If you study economics deeper than 101 you learn that supply-and-demand is mostly a fantasy in the modern age and the problem is oligarchal control and lack of regulations.

Your starting to sound like Marx here. You are right for a small subset of monopolised markets mainly due to regulations that are used to lock out competitors.

But both of your issues boil down to the same point: there are more people than there are useful jobs.

Yep

The solution is not more jobs or fewer people, it's decoupling productivity from food and housing.

Yeah so let's just reorganise society into a socialist paradise. We live under a capitalist system, under said system my argument holds. It is not your right to receive anything that requires the labour of another human being. It is not your right to require someone to go to work and make ur food for u or build ur house. Plus the classic argument against communist policy applies here why would I wanna be the guy farming or building houses when I could do nothing an get someone else to do it for me? Your system requires an underclass of slave labour be that robotic, human, or underpaid illegal immigrant.

Anything else is admitting that a permanent underclass of jobless, homeless people must exist as an implicit threat against the working class if they get too uppity.

Yeah people need a reason to contribute to society. I contribute cos its making me ungodly rich, granting me extreme liberty, and allowing me to build a better world for when I have children. But some people are lazy, useless, low intelligence imbeciles who need the threat of a low quality of life to give them to kick to get off their ass and do something for society. Which of course raises the question what is that minimum standard. I would say the minimum standard is u get a 3m*3m box with a bed, shitter and shower, u get 3 meals of engineered tasteless grey goo with plain water. Thats the bottom rung of Maslow's hierarchy of needs taken care of anything more is on u.

Also, immigrants commit less crime on average and get less in government benefits than citizens. Your "statistics" (that you did not even cite) are made up right-wing xenophobic propaganda.

Wrong. Official DHS/ICE data shows 81,312 removable noncitizens arrested in FY2024 with prior convictions—totaling 57k assaults, 18k sex offenses, 12k homicides/manslaughters—highlighting a massive crime burden from illegal immigrants.On benefits: CIS analysis of 2024 Census SIPP data—immigrant-headed households use welfare at 53% (61% for illegal-headed) vs. 37% for native-born, draining billions in Medicaid/SNAP/EITC often via U.S.-born kids.These are from federal reports and Census surveys, not "propaganda." Cite yours?