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Coherent ideology (thelemmy.club)
submitted 2 days ago by Bad@jlai.lu to c/comicstrips@lemmy.world

[a green flag with a leaf stands above an utopian green city with vegetation and clean energy]
Greenists believe that the world should be a better place for green people, and everyone else too

[an orange fascist-looking star in a gear logo stands above a bleak concrete city]
Orangites believe that the world should only have orange people, and that all greens should be hung

[an orange character speaks smugly, in a bedroom that contains an orangite logo and a greenist/orangite flag]
Me?
I'm a greenist-orangite,
why do you ask?

https://thebad.website/comic/coherent_ideology

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The data shows ~6k per year which is 48k over 8 years.

The chart clearly shows 80k in 2016?

Also worth noting that this only counts civilian casualties. Fun fact, under Obama, the US counted any "military-aged male" killed in a drone strike as an "enemy combatant" under the logic that if they were standing underneath a drone they must have been up to something. Looks like these numbers are from the UN so probably more reliable. But the numbers of 100-200k for Bush Sr. I believe were total causalities.

Do you really think the initial invasion which included all of NATO had less casualties?

No.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

The chart clearly shows 80k in 2016?

The chart has total in red and yearly in orange.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Yes, and the total shows 80k in 2016.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I don't know why it doesn't add up.

Doing the math year by year from UN data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001-2021)

The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) recorded 2,412 Afghan civilian deaths in the American-led war in 2009 The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) recorded 2,777 Afghan civilian deaths in the American-led war in 2010 For the whole year of 2011, the United Nations reported that the civilian death toll numbered 3,021, a record high. In addition, 4,507 Afghans were wounded A 2012 report by the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan noted that the number of Afghan civilians killed or injured in 2012 decreased for the first time since the United Nations began keeping track of such figures.[64] 2,769 civilian deaths (2013) The UN recorded 2,969 civilian deaths 2014 Overall, according to the UN, 3,710 civilians were killed 2015 The UN estimates that 3,545 civilians were killed 2016 The UN estimates that in 2016 3,498 civilians were killed

2412+2777+3021+4507+2769+2969+3710+3545+3498 = 29208.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

One is casualties and the other is deaths. "Casualties" includes wounded.

Note that:

Most, if not all, of the sources state that their estimates are likely to be underestimates.

In UNAMA/AIHRC methodology, whenever it remains uncertain whether a victim is a civilian after they have assessed the facts available to them, UNAMA/AIHRC does not count that victim as a possible civilian casualty. The number of such victims is not provided.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 54 minutes ago)

You are adding wounded to Obama but not Bush Sr to make Obama look worse. That's exactly the problem I described at the start.

Including wounded Obama is still less than the 100,000-200,000 killed by Bush Sr.

this post was submitted on 18 Feb 2026
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