He somehow seems to think, still, that he can shape the Democrats. "If I thought there was a viable 3rd party do you think I would be voting for them? Fuck no" he says, after scolding someone in his chat, calling them an ultra, for calling him out for his continued connection to the democrats.
But lets think about this for a second...
how the fuck
do you build
a fucking party
do you do it by voting for, another party
do you do it by telling people to vote for another party
or do you do it by building A FUCKING WORKING CLASS PARTY
LIKE FUCKING LENIN SAID
I don't really understand what Hasan thinks these Democrats are supposed to "DO" in this situation. "They're not DOING it!" he yells. What is "IT"? Go against their class interests, defy the fundamental laws of capital and somehow break free of their social relations through pure force of will? His proximity to the Democratic Party is what breeds this weird fucking obsession he has.
"These guys are mad because they talk to ME and not their Pedo sex cult leader, that's why they're mad". What if they didn't talk to you, though? What if tomorrow they just stopped talking to you at all? What if the only reason they talk to you AT ALL is that they know that you have a huge fucking audience, and you are actually effective at moving people to the left? So instead, they give you cookies and treats, they give you access and interviews, they let you into the DNC, they give you access to candidates, like Zoran.
I really do think at this point, that he is being catfished by the Democratic Party. That they understand that he is an effective communicator, and they have somehow convinced him that if he just keeps at it, he can one day kick that football for real.
This is basically the DSA thesis, right? The problem they are going to run into is, eventually, they're just going to ban DSA members from running in their primaries. They will not allow their party to be taken over by entryism, and there aren't a lot of legal constraints on their ability to control their primaries. I think they could even racially segregate their primaries still and there's no legal mechanism to stop them, because they're considered private and not subject to the voting rights act.
Is it worthwhile to force Democrats to ban the DSA? Yeah, maybe. It would certainly raise the contradictions and make building a real workers' party much easier if people ever found out that they aren't allowed to do entryism anymore.
The DSA thesis is called the "dirty break" which is the majority position. It means building and planning for a break from the Democratic Party. DSA has realignment advocates who want to move the democrats left. This is a popular position, especially among new people, but it is a clear minority. there used to be a lot of "clean break" tendencies, they fizzled out because their analysis quickly proved tdid,e irrelevant.
DSA is preparing for a break from the dems, the majority is very strongly against the democrats. But social movements are uneven and combined. The democrats dont have any mechanism for enforcing party discipline, they can't actually ban DSA members from registering as a democrat. They can pull some dirty tricks, and in some places they can prevent people from running on the democratic party line. But elections are handled on the state level, so the rules are different everywhere.
They can block action politically, but they can't do shit if they are out-organized. There are successes like Zohran Mamdani, but there are failures like when Las Vegas DSA took over the Nevada democratic central committee, and the party just moved all the money out of the accounts and shut them out of politics altogether.
Flattening DSA into an org with a singular perspective is a wildly incorrect way to view us. We are a democratic org, we have minority and majority positions, anyone can propose a change to the org, and in some ways, participating in DSA means struggling to change it. The Dem party realignment advocates, reflective of the original org but changed dramatically since 2015, are a minority but they also make up the largest tendency in NYC DSA, the largest and most electorally successful chapter in the USA.
There are now over 100000 members in good standing, and growing. DSA is committed to becoming the worker's party, we actually passed a resolution to that effect in 2025. Imo, we are THE primary vehicle for class struggle against capitalism. That doesn't mean we are perfect or have it all figured out. Its a mess, the org shouldn't function, and yet we do.
Everyone in the org knows that the dems will kick us out where they can, but where they haven't shows where they actually can't. If youve never tried to enforce party discipline or expulsion conditions where there previously wasnt any, it's very difficult. People really don't like it. Expelling DSA would be a boon for DSA imo, and the Democratic party knows this. They would never win another big election if they did, and would instantly create the largest USAmerican socialist party of all time.
Good, that's what we want, third parties only become viable when the dem elites dispense with the kayfabe and shut progressives and future leftists out of the current poltical process
But unfortunately that means we have to keep pushing a kayfabe of our known, which is entryism into the Democratic Party, so that rupture can be triggered in the first place
And the fact figures like Zohran and even those dipshits AOC and Bernie maintain high popularity while simultaneously the Democratic Party in general is at historic lows, tells us the groundwork for an internal split is already in place
I doubt that's what most members of the DSA want, even its more radical membership. Their goal is to win elections, not get barred from them.
Asking the DSA members I know personally, a dramatic break of some sort is definitely what they want. I don't know how representative that is.
I think a break is the consensus opinion but there is a lot of wiggle room in how exactly DSA is supposed to break from the Democratic Party line.
Doesn't matter, if they win enough elections under the dem banner, the DNC will make the choice for them
I think it does matter that most people joining the DSA are completely unprepared for this eventuality.
They'll learn, but it's going to be rough.
Actually the harder the rupture hits them, the better it is for our purposes, look how the failure of Bernie 2020 radicalized so many here, now scale that up on a national level
In the meantime if they use the dems to build up a national organizing infrastructure then all the better, they'll have something to fall back on when the DNC slams the door in their faces, unlike the personality driven "organizing" that vanished the minute Sanders bent the knee to Biden
My worry does actually go back to Bernie 2020 - it radicalized a lot of people, but because they were unprepared for the moment when the door slammed they were unable to continue their organizing beyond it. They just became jaded posters and podcasters.
Unless the DSA is actively preparing for the innevitable betrayal the exact same thing could happen again. Sure, it'll create more radicals, but there won't be an actual organizing infrastructure left for them to pour their radical energy into. We'll have to start over.
Though we'll be starting from a better position, simply because it raised the consciousness of former DSA members.
I think that’s only really true for people that were the most visible supporters of Bernie. Plenty of people who had door knocked or phone banked for Bernie turned towards more real world organizing.
It’s not consensus within DSA but I believe a significant enough portion of the org wants DSA into a party that just runs on the Democratic ballot line until they’re forced out. The problem is DSA is so ideologically incoherent that different factions resist the kind of centralization necessary to make that happen.