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How much say does the proletariat have in how those state owned enterprises are managed or operated, or into what their profits are put towards?
Fuck if I know, I don't live there and I am not an expert. I can guarantee however, it is more say than you have over your economy. The CPC is a vast political organ with over 100 million active members. Most people are satisfied with it as well.
Are you a participating member of a political party that directly controls your national economy? Do you feel like your state encourages you to do so? Are you satisfied with the ones that exist?
That's a lot of whataboutism and it doesn't really answer my question.
The CPC itself isn't Marxist. China, as a whole, is Marxist-Lenninist pending the final transitional stage where the new, benevolent ruling class dissolves itself and hands power back to the proletariat. It's been that way for decades.
And a state-owned enterprise isn't inherently communist; it's whatever the state is. If it's controlled by the state, and the state isn't classless, there needs to be full transparency in how the enterprise is operated. If the public has no say in its operations, a SOE is just a nationalized corporation executing on the whims of a ruling class—and that's closer to capitalist-socialist ideology than communist ideology.
Hard to answer in concrete terms a question I don't know the answer to. Like I said I am not an expert in the organization of the CPC and the levels of democratic participation its members have. Instead of debating whether or not their system is capitalist, which we clearly have opinions on that aren't reconcilable through short internet argumentation, I asked you to compare the most basic features of their system to your own and decide which you considered more democratic (or more proletarian). I didn't want to spend the hours of research it would take to answer you question in full because I didn't and still do not consider it worth it.
I disagree with your statement that the CPC is not Marxist and considering their stated position is that they are, the burden of proof is on you here. I do consider them somewhat revisionist but considering their success and the size of their society I think its uncouth for me, a westerner from a country with 0 successful marxist projects to criticize them harshly. I take the wait and see approach. So far it has worked out. It doesn't make sense for a capitalist state to encourage democratic participation nor does it make sense for them to prioritize political education as China very clearly does. You can get a degree in marxist political economy, many Chinese people do this and as someone who has spoken about the subject with them, they understand it VERY well.
You should really read state and revolution if you haven't already. Your belief that marxism-leninism relies on the bureaucratic class dissolving itself and handing power back to the proletariat indicates that you have not or atleast didn't understand it.
This is a nonsense term