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Greg Bovino Loses His Job (www.theatlantic.com)
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[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 72 points 2 weeks ago
[-] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

Ironically, NPH is the Nazi in that movie. They even wear the same coat.

[-] phx@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

The symbolism in the movie is apparently in contrast to the book, which glorified war and the human side. The director decided to take it another direction and it was a fucking great decision

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

I have to admit, the book makes a great argument for "fascism" / military meritocracy, plus it's just a easy to read action book.

I still think the argument is very flawed, and it's a good thing that Heinlein (iirc) never had children to raise.

But do read it, it's a decent book with an interesting argument.

[-] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The book itself does not glorify fascism but rather shows a fascist future human society. Heinlein wasn't a fucking a Nazi and the "allure" of this weird future fascism is the point on which the reader is supposed to reflect.

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

First: The book does not glorify historically existing fascism, no.

But I believe that it is at least a half-serious argument, that Heinlein actually believes that a society like the one in the book wouldn't be the worst.

I don't believe that Heinlein supported racism or the oppression of "lesser" people. He made that point pretty clear, in interviews, life choices, other stories or by famously revealing (iirc) that Ricoh was brown-skinned.

But the militarism, united humanity in a hostile universe, the weird ideas about authority and merit, and the per aspera ad astra part? I do believe that he's at least in part making a sincere argument, wrapped in an action story as a vehicle. The world he creates resonates too well with Heinlein's biography, imho.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it is trying to show that a united authoritarian Earth could work if we have aliens around to be the enemy 'other'.

Personally, I prefer the movie's take on it.

[-] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly, most viewers (at least, the most vocal ones here in America) really don't understand that movie and end up glorifying the humans by the end. Media literacy is something we need to teach better

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

I genuinely had no idea how people could misunderstand the movie, until I met such people. It is weird.

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 26 points 2 weeks ago

More likely he's the sacrifice they hope will get the engaged masses to focus on so they can continue unchanged.

[-] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

yeahhhh. watch the movie again, the aliens were not the bad guys.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

True. Just the meme goes like that. But I should probably watch it again anyway. I think I saw it 10+ years ago.

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