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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The vast majority of periphery nations simply cannot afford a nuclear deterrent without crazy high spending on the military, think 25%+ of GDP and an advanced knowledge and industrial base to support nuclear science. Such high military spending can easily lead to economic collapse. In contrast, nations with advanced economies and high GDP like Germany, South Korea and Japan could obtain nuclear weapons, build delivery systems, and maintain it all with minimal economic sacrifice by comparison, and already have the industrial and knowledge base to do so.

Nuclear proliferation globally would be one of the worst things to happen for the periphery. Rich countries would easily nuclearise, while poor nations would be left at an even greater military disadvantage. For every North Korea there'd be ten Frances.

North Korea is a unique case scenario. How many nations are led by the same family dynasty for decades who can plan the economy however they decide to, and have their main adversaries capital city in gun based artillery range? Not many.

I'd go onto say that the deterrence value of a small, almost purely nuclear deterrent without second strike capability is much lower than the average person thinks, or is portrayed in movies and TV. Seoul being in North Korean artillery range is a much bigger deal for deterrence than most think. And even with that conventional deterrence North Korea has, they still have to threaten nuclear war at very low levels of conflict to maintain deterrence. A few hours ago they fired off a bunch of shorter range hypersonic glide vehicles in a weapons test, after what happened in Venezuela.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

I would argue every North Korea is worth ten Frances nuke wise. Rich countries dont need nukes to bully poor countries, if every rich country had a nuclear program nothing would be different, if a few poor countries manage, they can guarantee sovereignty

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

All I know is that axis of evil bullshit stopped for dprk the second they successfully tested

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

In pure abstract simplicity you cant let your opponent have a trump card

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Good point about the expense impracticality for poorer nations.

On the other hand, is there any meaningful difference between one France and ten? It is a similar progression to Cold War-era nuclear proliferation, the multiplication of warheads to an absurd scale. There are diminishing returns.

If relative power can be quantified as the ratio 1,000,000:1, then adding 100 to the numerator is insignificant while adding 100 to the denominator can meaningfully shift strategy. The latter of course representing the weaker power acquiring a nuclear option. (Essentially, Maoist dialectical principle of qualitative change arising from quantitative change.)

The power balance is so asymmetrical that the actual degree of imbalance does not matter that much. The resistance strategy has to take into account asymmetry as the starting point.

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