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Ukraine Says It Won’t Give Up Land to Russia
(www.theatlantic.com)
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Russia argues that there was a regime change in 2014 which released them from that agreement.
Russia says a lot of things
Shocking new informartion shows that russia had their fingers crossed behind their backs at the time the deal was made.
Their argument is that they didn't break the agreement.
That's not how agreements work. If it was, they would be pointless.
Minsk II, they are pointless. People even question US and French Nato commitment.
But hypothetically speaking, why should Russia be bound to the agreement if the West actually did a regime change?
What about the majority of Ukranians that voted for the gov that got overthrown in 2014? Their voices and opinions don't count?
Opinions change, afterall those same people voted at least partly for Zelenskyi
Yeah, in 2014 Ukrainians just got rid of pro-Russian government in Ukraine what, of course, violated the agreement of peace since Russia cannot claim Ukraine peacefully anymore. This is actually totally logical.
Edit: this is sarcasm.
You dropped a /s
Just for you to know: not every person knows/uses slang/abbreviations, so that if you want other people to understand you, use standard English, please.
Either use /s or make your sarcasm clearer.
Ahh, okay. Thanks. Will know from now the meaning of /s.
Just with these kind of topics you have to be careful. Your edit makes things even clearer.
We call the Russian influence on the West hybrid war, wouldn't the Western influence in Ukraine be the same?
Same, same, but different. I agree that both these cases can be classified as influence, but, at least as I know, the influence of the West has no intention to occupy Ukraine or turn it into puppet state. The West mostly needs resources, democratic alignment and overall stability, while it has no interest in wiping out the national identity of Ukrainians and abuse them, unlike Russia. So, between 2 evils it would be better to choose the lesser one.
Britain got out of the EU for this reason.
What about the posts about Amazon working conditions and US healthcare? At least Germany is approaching US conditions.