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The wide range of girl body types
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Don't forget to give the eyes 10x the surface area of what's biologically possible
In a lot of Asia, youth is seen as attractive
Human eyeballs are generally all the same size, regardless of skull or body size.
Youth = small
Big eyes and small everything else therefore means cute
Art often exaggerates or interprets
Anime is art
Anime is also not a new medium at all in Japanese, and now global culture, and has had a lot of time to evolve
I'm not defending it, just explaining it, in case people don't understand, because this is a long-standing and very common complaint/criticism
But we could have like, a whole anime done in the style of Ukiyo-E, for characters design style motifs, for facial and body proportions..
You could mock up a 3D model and cel shade these to work out how they'd work from different angles.
This is certainly an exaggerated interpretation of reality.
It is also certainly Japanese.
These were also largely seen as depictions of beautiful, desirable people.
Here, this one's from 1932,
The eyes are getting bigger, but noses still exist, the facial proportions are actually pretty close to realistic, if not just completely realistic, unlike in the modern standard anime style.
I dunno, I guess the modern standard anime style is just much much more neotenous (oversized heads, relatively oversized eyes, relatively undersized/unemphaszed noses) because it is meant to appeal primarily to small children, who are themselves neotenous?
Whereas the consumer base for Ukiyo-E would have been primarily adults?
One of the earliest "modern" manga artists got influenced by the large eyes of disney and other western comics and shows
And others adapted it
Ah, thats a very good point!
And the stylistic intermingling has certainly gone both ways a bit, and then more recently, quite a lot.
Now we have like, basically hyperrealism done on anime proportions, the kind of AI autogen art style, that I would basically call 'uncanny valley with high production value.'
Manga's and therefore anime's art style evolved to be drawn quickly and cheaply. A ukiyo-e anime would be expensive as hell.
Well, if you did the exact same production process, yes, but as I posited, you could just 3d render the whole thing, or speed up production with basically 3d blocked out scenes and then basically do rotoscoping off of that, to add more flair or details where its worth it.
Its... not like cel shaded video games have not been a thing for a while, its not like 3d rendered animes have not been a thing for a while.
I'm vaguely sure the face expressions would still require a lot of redrawing, for which the manga style is particularly optimized. Plus, the detailed clothing would require plenty of animation of its own.
Basically, if it were feasible, someone would probably have already made it.
The Tale of the Princess Kaguya by Isao Takahata. The most expensive Japanese film ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_the_Princess_Kaguya_(film)
I don't know why but your link doesn't work for me
Well, I'd say you'd be surprised by what you can pull off with a sufficiently solid and detailed facerig or set or blendshapes, just in Blender, which is free to use.
You do have a good point with clothes, thats more complex, but uh, again even in Blender, detailed clothes physics are entirely possible, and its also not too hard to make custom clothes rapidly.
You can do that with VROID + Blender pretty darn fast, and you can throw whatever base model you want into VROID for it to be a sort of digital tailor for, and then export it to Blender.
VROID's tool for this is also free.
Beyond that, there are other freely available plugins for Blender that do or enable the same kind of rapid design and fitting of physics enabled clothes.
Then you just animate skeletons, generate your frames to potentially rotoscope or what not.
Basically, I am saying the tools for this do already exist, and many of them actually are already used in 3D anime, just... to my knowledge, not yet with anything resembling Ukiyo-E.
I'm 100% sure many studios have their own proprietary software and toolsets and pipelines for this.
Btw: Ghibli's ‘The Tale of the Princess Kaguya’ is perhaps the closest to that genre, though of course it's comparatively simplistic and also has Ghibli's trademark style.
That notion is Disneys fault. East-asians usually see comic juat as a distinct art type, for grown-ups too.
What you're forgetting is that anime (and art in general) is typically not done to please the critics, but to please the fans.
I'm a fan. I am displeased by stylistic homogenization.
Like, I get that this is, on some level or to whatever extent, a .... marketing to whichever demographic kind of problem or process.
Either I am in the minority of fans, or, they're targetting market demos inefficiently.
... it would be very difficult to say which of those is closer to 'true', with anything approaching objectivity, unless people were literally polled/surveyed on this.
But, the other element here is that just is what capitalism does to art. It smushes everything down into generic, familiar, safe, with as much broad appeal as possible.
Because its churning this stuff out on an assembly line, anime is a mass market product, like spam or canned soup or plastic plates.
Additionally, asia has the focus more on the eyes, why westerners more on the mouth. Is what they say.
Upsetting.
Aliita, Battle Angel.
"Biologically possible", I mean, quite a few animals have eyes taking up a ton of their headspace. Owls for starters.
... Unless you are planning on hybridizing an owl and a human, in pursuit of growing your own GMO Waifu...
I think we can safely assume the scope of the context is 'a human being'.
Jokes on you, artist "GeGeGek" nearly perfected that already.
Well shit.
... ahem.
Ain't that a hoot.
The word was, "biology", not, "human biology".
You're not?
No, unfortunately I lack the requisite knowledge expertise and mad scientist lair level of funding, and I also possess a moral compass.
I wonder which of those issues is the biggest obstacle.
For me, the last one.
You coukd give me the other two and I'd rather try to cure cancer or something like that.
Of course, I guessed that. As with many lemmings, I assumed you had a strong moral compass - respect!
It would have been funnier if you had answered one of the others, though.
Lets say we're attempting to ... space station 13 style, genetically modify an open fascist.
Like Sydney Sweeney.
... Now, now my moral compass may require another reading.
That's the rule for anime boobs
What is stylization?
Oh gosh, my bad. I totally forgot that I need to post a transcript of my Art History coursework before making this kind of joke on Lemmy.