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The problem, in my mind:
republicans/regressives (read nazis) actually get in line and vote for the R next to any name that they've heard in the last week (if not just because it has an R), which means that they actually get shit done (making things worse, but they all get behind it is my point).
On the other hand, democrats/leftists/progressives all sit here and fight one another because of reasons, some good, and some just a little silly in the grand scheme of things. This group doesn't know how to effectively work together to slowly and surely get to the same end goal.
The differences here are why regressives are able to rat fuck an entire nation, collectively, because they don't bicker with each other, their allies, about the smaller details.
The democrats/leftists/progressives are too busy trying to fight hundreds of different problems/battles that would all be solved (eventually, mind you, not right away like we wish it would be) by banding together and keeping the movement momentum going AFTER winning the election.
For an example, gaza and trans rights issues. Both VERY valid issues, and they should be discussed. What happened was those same groups focused way too much on the smaller details instead of the big picture. What SHOULD have happened was we voice our concerns on the issues, vote for the person (at this time, Harris) who had the highest chance of those issues being solved, and then keeping the fire going by continuing to press these concerns to THAT administration.
Look at it this way, even though it is too late: if Kamala had won, you'd be able to sit there and protest any actions that weren't being made towards your/your groups issues, and if we could all get on the same god damned page, you would have more allies who are more at ease with the current admin who could protest with you, because things aren't dire enough for them to focus on them and theirs (read fuck you, got mine). Under the orange buffoon, you can now get deported for protesting anything, let alone trans rights and gaza genocide. So, those allies you could've had are now being deported, killed, or arrested, and that makes others scared to protest with you.
TL;DR: Allowing the nazis to win because democrats/leftists/progressives can't see the bigger picture, and choose to focus on their own issues only (or at the very least, make it their highest priority when we should know that's not how it works, unfortunately) is the reason we have the orange shitler in office right now. This group is trying to fight 100 different battles, while regressives lock step and take away all the good we had achieved, instead of banding together and just doing the literal bare minimum (vote in the "neo-lib"). Full stop.
@[email protected] is right, whether you like it or not.
@[email protected] This is a big part of what I am saying. Its find that you have criticisms with the approach, but you never mention an alternative; which is why I personally say that tankies are not serious people. Not voting has weakened our position greatly. Not voting means we have not grown the progressive wing in the DNC or even spun out a 3rd party. And I do mean this on local, state, and federal levels.
Its rather privileged of you to wait for a perfect candidate when you are not cold, hungry, and under siege. But [class] war is uncomfortable and your unwillingness to fight makes you a bad ally. I have said it before. Elections are just one front in the battle and abandoning it has been a strategic blunder.
Its fine to critic, but if you don't have an alternative or proposed amendment then you are just not serious about materially achieving goals.
No I completely disagree and don't think that electoralism would do anything other than delay the inevitable rise to Fascism in the United States.
Stop pointing out this line of logic it's not convincing.
The Democrats had 8 years under Obama to do literally anything to affect the status quo and failed to do so with massive push from the progressive crowd. Then we try it again with Bernie in 2016 where the Democrats made it very very clear he was not welcome.
Then we try it again in 2020 where Joe Biden promptly ignored the majority will of most voters.
It is not the job of the voters to Rally around a party that can't figure itself out, it is the job of the party to energize those voters into acting the way they need to.
This is something that Communists recognize about their own party, why is this so hard for liberals to understand it.
You were giving yourself a handicap and saying there's nothing you can do about it. Frankly that's bullshit and there's plenty to do other than sit around and waste your time in political organizations that solely focus on electoralism that aren't going to do a damn thing to make our lives better or save us from fascism.
lol. lmao even.
yeah the DNC has long figured itself out, why do you think they are catering to centrists/moderate right wingers? because y'all won't vote them short of a perfect candidate (which doesnt exist)
Yep that's absolutely been the response that we saw with Bernie Sanders in 2016 and that we're seeing with Zohran right now in New York.
Y'all need to pick up a book and watch something other than the mainstream media. It's rotting your brain and it shows.
Voters: "Please stop bombing children", "Please stop backing a genocide", "Please stop handing out our taxes to your rich friends", "Please stop making healthcare the number one reason for bankruptcy", "Please stop sending people to torture prisons", "Please make minimum wage a livable wage"
I think you might have a warped view of what "perfect" means. We just want someone who isn't a monster.