GDF argues that Zionist lobbying e.g. AIPAC is the main historical reason for US support of Israel, and not Israel's usefulness to the US as a military base.
He bases his argument on the influence of the Israel lobby forcing the Nixon, Johnson, and Clinton administrations to prioritize Zionism over American and US capitalist goals.
BadEmpanada made a video calling out how he panders to antisemites. It's a shame because I honestly think he does a good job of using decent historical research and real sources to debunk Zionist myths. We need more channels like that (I also enjoy Fredda who does the same thing but better, but hasn't made any videos on Zionism yet AFAIK)
I'm not against the argument that GDR panders to anti-semites. After watching this video, I'd be hesitant about inviting him to a pro-Palestine event.
This is just emotion from me, but I'm still reeling from what BE did to BayArea415. He doesn't do nuance with other YouTubers.
I still have a hard time liking him after that
And he shouldn't be forgiven. BayArea415 was more valuable to the cause than BE is, sorry not sorry. Such anti-social reactionary behaviour is not something that any self-described leftist should enact. In organized groups, that behavior is fatal to the left.
Can't say I'm familiar with this, could you happen to elaborate on what happened?
tl;dr from what I remember: He was a pro-China leftist YouTuber with some decent content, he got doxxed (not by BadEmpanada, he just gave away too many personal details on Reddit), and once it was discovered he did lawyer work on foreclosures, BE basically bullied him off of YouTube.
BayArea415 was a ML YouTuber that was making defend China videos before it was cool. He got doxxed and threatened by outside people, so he deleted everything.
BE came in and made a bunch of videos dancing on BE's grave, called him a larp'er, and said that he was helping evict people in his job, while the reality was that BayArea415's job was to keep people from eviction. It was just really petty. For sure BayArea415 is far to the left of BE.
I realise that Viki1999 messed up, but BE jumped on a younger trans woman far harder than he needed to. BE does Twitter wars far too hard.
Disagree on Viki, calling Palestinians subhuman and explicitly wishing death upon them is inexcusable, no matter your age or identity. BE is a rough personality, especially when he's making fun of people he really ought to just leave be, but when he's outraged at something, it's always with good reason.
She made it in private, absolutely self-crit'ed, and stopped making left videos. It is really weird when cis men seem to need to harp on this. I'm not even defending her, just think that BE went far too hard on too many people. BE took so admittedly bad screenshots and created his own narrative that she's a Zionist. It's not like BE doesn't do this regularly.
I want the lemmygrad people who are defending/posting Brian Berletic, an obvious reactionary who is still unapologetically making bad takes, to talk to the anti Viki people. I get that it's a big instance and not a hive mind. It's just weird to be so hard against an imperfect and retired leftist creator yet so protective of an obvious reactionary who continues being terrible. Again, it just has weird cis guy energy. Sorry if I misjudged you, but there's no pronouns in Lemmygrad so IDK.
Please no long viki struggle sessions
"weird cis guy energy" is liberal identity politic nonsense. Use material analysis.
Is it really antimaterialist to say that when a group of mostly cis people are extremely harsh to a trans person, but lenient against cis people who make similar mistakes, it might be a sign of cis brainworms? I can probably phrase that in terms that are more materialist but the message is the same; I don't think it'd be any different if a mostly white website was being weird about POC.
I think this is almost certainly a case of confirmation bias of you stringing together two people to form your own narrative to conform to a theory of identity politics. Unless you can show me the users who actively did this this seems like idealist thinking to claim it inherently transphobic rather than hypocritical.
Hexbear is full of these types. A lot of left leaning spaces, lib, radlib or even the myriad flavours of ml/maoist/dengist/etc... are more forgiving of people that are closer to the heteronormative racial masculine ideal. And that is not idealist idenity BS.
Unexaminded reactionary biases did cause the failure of several socialist movements, such as the new left in 80s germany or the post ww1 american communist party.
While this is true and must always cause us to re-examine our own biases, to imply that these two creators even have the same viewers and their difference in blowback for bad opinions thus must be attributed to transphobia has a higher burden of proof than "cis energy"
Sorry, just to be clear, do you mean people with reactionary biases or people calling out reactionary biases?
With the biases. The other makes less sense in context of what I wrote.
Here's one post about Viki where a user brought up the really islamophobic comment she had made: https://hexbear.net/comment/5730673
Here's the last post from that user: https://hexbear.net/post/4672233
This is the only post discussing her islamophobic statement I found. I'm not gonna say that 1 instance makes a pattern, that would be a hasty generalization, but hopefully it's not hard to see the point.
No I genuinely don't see your point, what actually is it?
If you think these are all the same people? Absolutely.
Uhhh i'd say every zionist deserves the full fury of Bad Empanada and literally nothing less no matter their gender identity.
The few screenshots taken out of context did not mention support of the Israeli state. It's just weird that cis guys need to stretch the truth on this one.
She doubled down in a vid afterwards, tho. Going full "I don't care because those dirty arabs would kill me."
You really want to make this about gender identity huh? Like I said youre crafting your own narrative.
I think transmisogyny is so prevalent, it would cause cis dudes to make up facts, as you previously did, calling her a Zionist.
So youre just gonna ignore her saying she supports israel over palestine because "they behead us" thereby pinkwashing a genocide. Please, by all means, tell me how this doesnt mean shes a zionist.
The only thing I'm insisting is that no screenshots show her to be a Zionist. I absolutely criticised her multiple times in this thread. Please don't put words in my mouth. Nearly done with this convo.
I dont need screenshots have you seen her "apology" video? She literally doubled down on her racism, "I was wrong, they don't hang people like me -- they behead them."
I'm only arguing that nothing she said shows her to be a Zionist, your claim, which you're avoiding. One more low effort comment and I'm leaving this convo.
Then stop fucking ignoring how she openly supported israel on her "apology" video and doubled down on her racism because at this point you are solely defending her because she is trans
What kind of fucking moron doesnt understand that supporting israel makes you a zionist?
Disengage
Welp at least you realize your position is indefensible.
What she said is literally a israeli lie. Ergo she's a zionist.
BTW this was edited AFTER my last comment.
It's unfair that you're calling her a Zionist and now I have to argue that she isn't. You're the one making the assertion, bring your own evidence.
Blah blah can't prove a negative.
"bring your own evidence" then read the previous sentence you goober.
Look comrades @[email protected] and @[email protected], you don't have to agree on this but after 2 days of this back and forth I would like to ask you leave this where it's at and move on. This discussion has been going on for 2 days now and we've received several reports on both sides of the discussion about the other. Since reports are federated, hexbear has also received them and I can assume neither we nor hexbear feels there is rule breaking content.
Never meet your heroes as they say =) ultimately content creators are people too.
Thank you.
I've already disengaged
As a white nonbinary trans woman, we absolutely do not need to be defending white trans women from critique for being racist. Cease this infernal nonsense.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: