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[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au -1 points 7 months ago

Honestly, I'm just sick of having the exact same conversation an indefinite number of times every time I come to lemmy.world.

I'll keep it short: No one from the DNC is on Lemmy. When you post on Lemmy, you're not successfully talking any sense into the Democrats. You're speaking to people who are deciding how to vote, whether to vote, how to get involved with activist organizations, and also just in a truth telling sense helping all of us make sense of what's going on. The problems in American politics go way deeper than one candidate or one party. You are not saving the Democrats by making these recommendations, although they're not really wrong, but you are attempting to take 100% of the oxygen away from other problems (which are also very real) which we are all similarly mostly-powerless to fix but which are also significant problems.

You're also arguing against a bunch of stuff that I, at least, never said, which I understand is fun to do but it's not real productive for us making sense to one another. I'm happy to talk with you, if you do some homework first: Find 5-10 different examples of me talking about Gaza, what a problem it was, and how Biden was complicit in it. Once you've done that (it should take literally one text search, use the @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat account since this one is new), we can chat.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

Honestly, I'm just sick of having the exact same conversation an indefinite number of times every time I come to lemmy.world.

…then stop posting/lurking in .world then? Or accept that it’s not your backyard, and you have different views?

The DNC is not on Lemmy

Doubtful, though I’d still hold out for some Linux-hatted staffer Venn intersection. But I’m sure that web crawlers and API scrapers are, which do feed into data sets used to judge people’s opinions. And there’s definitely a lot of neoliberals who lurk and comment, amongst other political stripes.

I'm happy to talk with you, if you do some homework first

Lmao if you actually want to genuinely talk to some, that line is condescending as fuck and you should never use it. And re: Gaza? Just scroll up, you brought up Gaza in your first reply in this comment thread - unprompted. Instead of demanding I do the mental labor of deciphering your (seemingly mutable) politics, and just lay out what you actually believe?

[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 1 points 7 months ago

Instead of demanding I do the mental labor of deciphering your (seemingly mutable) politics, and just lay out what you actually believe?

I spent a few messages doing that, even though you were pretty hostile with me out of the gate.

Sounds like you're not into the idea of doing the homework in order to learn what you would need to in order to be able to continue the conversation and have it be productive. Like I said, I'm not real into continuing the conversation then. Best of luck to ye.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 months ago

I spent a few messages doing that, even though you were pretty hostile with me out of the gate

You read my exasperation as hostility, because my initial reply was to a lot of your hand waving that ‘anyone would have been as bad as Biden’ completely sidesteps his obvious cognitive state, and the withering voter enthusiasm he carried both in and out of the party.

Sounds like you're not into the idea of doing the homework in order to learn what you would need to in order to be able to continue the conversation and have it be productive.

Does this actually work on people? Like do you genuinely think telling someone that they’re too dumb/ignorant to participate, that that is effective rhetoric that communicates with others?

You got challenged on a massive point of context, confirmed your actual position, to which I agreed and then pivoted to their doomed strategy of ‘I wouldn’t do anything differently’ was a failure from the jump, and your response is cynical elitism? Good luck convincing others dude

Like I said, I'm not real into continuing the conversation then. Best of luck to ye.

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 1 points 7 months ago

Does this actually work on people? Like do you genuinely think telling someone that they’re too dumb/ignorant to participate, that that is effective rhetoric that communicates with others?

Lol I mean being straight with you and responding factually to what you were saying, responding substantively and clarifying, definitely didn't work. Oh well. Also, "cynical" at least in the original meaning doesn't mean what you think it means.

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