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[-] [email protected] 22 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Central to the case was the use of the word, “haole,” a Hawaiian word with meanings that include foreigner and white person. Dennis Kunzelman testified that the men called him “haole” in a derogatory way.

Attorneys for Aki and Alo-Kaonohi said it was not Kunzelman’s race that provoked them but his entitled and disrespectful attitude.

Yeah. That's not a hate crime.

I'd get called a haole 5x walking two blocks to the beach. Especially in an area that's still mostly native, they ain't going to just jump to using the same words for you they use with lifelong members of the community.

You're literally an outsider and need to make an effort to be welcomed into the community. Until then, you're going to be called the word for outsider. Well, technically it means "soulless" but it's not as bad as it sounds.

Edit:

To clarify like a lot of Asian communities a lot of importance is put on family units.

So amongst themselves, everyone is: auntie/uncle niece/nephew brother/sister/cuz

If you're not part of their family group, they ain't going to call you that.

You're a "haole" and that's all it means, one translation is just "not of the island". It's not automatically a bad thing, and rarely is.

But lots of haoles are dicks too. So sometimes you get checked to make sure you're cool.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The simple answer is if you have a legitimate reason to beat someone's ass don't use any racial slurs while you're doing it

[-] [email protected] -1 points 21 hours ago

I was putting an edit in before I saw your reply.

But it's just a stand in for when something like auntie/nephew/cousin/etc isn't appropriate because the person isn't native.

It's not a racial slur. It's just what they use for someone that isn't family.

So it could 100% be coupled with insults at someone because of their race, but the word itself isn't inherently racist.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

It’s not a racial slur. It’s just what they use for someone that isn’t family.

I mean it definitely can be. I mean, fuck, my best friend Kai (who is 100% Hawaiian, from a well known Hawaiian family) just about beat the shit out of another mutual friend (who is also Hawaiian) when he was was joking about his kid gonna catch diseases from the haole he was standing next to (me). Friend maybe meant it as a joke, but Kai sure af took it seriously enough to scrap.

But I've also had another neighbor tell me "Oh you don' worry nephew, you da' good kinna haole", and mean it.

So it depends. It depends how you say it and what context.

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