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The MAGA Nazis cheated to achieve power, and they are an illegitimate government who does not represent the wishes of the vast majority of American citizens. Do not blame all Americans for the crimes of a treasonous criminal enterprise who is being supported by hostile foreign governments, Sociopathic Oligarchs, and Transnational Corporations. Oh, and a lot of really stupid, gullible morons.
Most Americans want their country to change, too.
That's what America has literally always been though. There was never a time when the american government was not those things.
But there was time when the government could keep them in check. Now they have hoarded enough money that they can leverage their own deals with foreign nations, outside of government control.
That's what has changed, and it's not an American problem, it's a global problem. Billionaires aren't just in America, they are everywhere, and they are deciding to usurp the typical roles that government has had in the past. Instead of government regulating them, they will regulate governments to suit their needs.
Non-Americans are falling into the same trap that American MAGAs have fallen into - they are blaming everyone except those who are actually causing the problems: the Sociopathic Oligarchs, and their Transnational Corporations.
You could have your wildest anti-American dreams come true, and have America erased from history, and your problems would still be there, because the problem isn't America, it's the out-of-control wealth hoarding around the globe. One of the biggest is Putin, and once he eliminates America, he'll move onto every other wealthy nation.
Quit attacking the victims of the wealthy, and attack the wealthy themselves.
No, America has always been the ones actively doing the evil, or propping it up for monetary gain.
If this is your gripe, you need to do a little bit more studying to realize that is what America has always gone for. That is the goal, was the goal, and will continue to be the goal.
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that America was formed with this goal in mind. White, slavery operated land ownership and the accumulation of capital is and always has been what america stood for.
If you think Putin wants to destroy america for any reason beyond the fact that american imperialism is threatening his (also imperialist) nation, i dunno what to tell you.
Go fuck yourself, liberal. You clearly don't have any understanding of what it means to be a victim, or who the wealthy are.
I'm not happy with the way life in America is going right now, but I still wouldn't trade it for Russian life. If Putin succeeds in sidelining America, then Europe is next.
People like me are trying to change America for the better. We all know about the stains America has left on the world, but America has also done a lot of good for the world as well. There is a battle for America's future, and a lot of us are hoping to take America in a new direction and redeem our nation's mixed legacy.
If you are cheering for HitlerPig's success, then you are literally cheering for Nazi rule, and if it takes root here, then it will go global next.
Don't threaten me with a good time!
Cupcake, who the fuck do you think is cheering for trump? It sure as fuck isn't any of us. We just haven't deluded ourselves into thinking any president was ever that different.
Proof that you're deeply unserious if you think he's markedly worse than Dubya and the piles of Afghan and Iraqi bodies he left behind, not to mention all the illegal detention in Guantanamo Bay and the ”attack on democracy” in your own terms via thing like the Patriot Act.
HitlerPig is a cringe-ass nickname too even by lib Trump name standards.
He's already been in office 4 years
Trump already had a whole four year term, it's not like he's a new president.
So is Biden.
I see you ignored my main point though, if you think Trump is markedly worse than Bush who murdered millions of Afghans and Iraqis and could easily be considered a similar ”authoritarian” to Trump under your terms, you're deeply unserious.
Blue MAGA rehabilitating Bush is just so bizarre. You'd think they'd be anti-Bush because he reminds them of Trump, but somehow he has become "one of the good ones" it's baffling.
Bluemaga has to be mostly made up of people who weren't alive or really young during the bush years. Admittedly that's when I cut my teeth politically. I was 12 when he was elected and came of age during the Iraq war with recruiters in my school cafeteria making fun of us chubby/pacifist kids and goading my friends to go die or kill innocents in the Middle East on a lie. Some of them did.
I will never forgive democrats for letting bush off the hook. That was my first line in the sand and I've never looked back.
I suppose it must be. I guess my image of a "democrat supporter" is someone older, probably in their 40s or so, because I cannot see why the "youth" would ever support a party full of ghouls like that. The republicans I can understand, they offer easy answers to everything, but the democrats? I don't understand why in hell someone in their 20s would ever vote for them. I guess I'm just out of touch with the kids.
It's a weird phenomena. I don't know a lot of twenty somethings but the couple I know are pretty radical.
There's something about the Harry Potter millennials and being a dyed in the wool Democrat. I don't know if it's because my age group got a small taste of "normal" in this country before it all went to shit or what.
One thing I can say is the media I consumed as a kid was a lot more subversive and anti authority than what's being made today.
100% agree on the Harry Potter millenials, all the ones I know aren't democrats (Australian) but are super lib while thinking they are "progressive." If they were American, they probably would be diehard democrat supporters. I don't know if they would be "blue MAGA" or anything, but recently I heard one of them complaining about Trump because "he makes America look weak" and therefore China will attack Australia, so they've certainly got their own racist conspiracy theory brainworms that are similar enough.
I hate the way that libs like that try to "reclaim" patriotism and advocate for imperialism but with a rainbow flag. Then they have the gall to SpongeBob font us when we say there is no material difference between the two parties (in the US)
Yeah, it's so frustrating how they will just sound like the most rabid, frothing at the mouth fash, but then justify it by claiming it is for minorities or gay people. It's scary to watch sometimes, it's like a switch is flipped, and my kind, caring, emotionally understanding friend suddenly turns into a complete CHUD, until the subject is dropped. I have no idea how the US state department figured out these psychological tricks, but it is very worrying, sometimes I worry that my otherwise decent friends would literally rather choose US state department propaganda and racism over just listening to their friend.
The destruction of USAID also fucked up the funding for a lot of CIA shit done through the same org. The good it has done has always been to mask the mad. That's not new either, its been the case since its funding.
No, the problem with this discussion is that you don't have any understanding of historical or material dialectics. You're pure liberal ideology, and wishful thinking about the hopes and dreams of the world. So fucking chauvinistic that you can't even imagine that the world doesn't want america to be better, they want us to go away.
Maybe you can explain to the millions of dead Afghans and Iraqis and the people sold to slavery in Libya post US bombing how great it was that a pro-freedom country did that.
Overthrowing other people’s governments: The Master List By William Blum
Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 *
literal White Man's Burden shit
lmfao, okay fuck, ya got me. I didn't realize you were doing a bit. Really had me going for a while. Hats off
The idea that the worst can't happen here is a classic mistake.
In 1984, Sarajevo hosted the Olympics, and the entire world saw a modern European city in a civilized country. A decade later, it was under siege, it's buildings bombed, and it's people starving.
How many videos have we seen of crumbling building in war zones? Every one of those locations was once a city with high-rises, residences, offices, schools, hospitals, etc., filled with normal people, going about their normal day, thinking they were safe in their city. Now it's all flattened.
Bad stuff happens to big cities all the time, and it will happen again. It is arrogant hubris to think that your country or your city is above all that. The country that will bomb you doesn't agree, and their opinion counts.
nearly 100% of every video I've seen of bombs being dropped in the last twenty years were all dropped by america, you fucking lunatic
America isn't blameless, but come on, Israel and Russia have been throwing around a lot more bombs than America.
Although, I will admit, a lot of those Israeli bombs are America built.
Complete horseshit, the US has been bombing various Middle Eastern countries constantly not even counting Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.
Thanks for proving my point
Almost like America uses Israel as a proxy and those should also be counted as American bombs, and also they are literally American bombs.
America dropped more bombs on Laos alone than were dropped in the entirety of WWII, and they weren't even formally at war with Laos.
No, America has been throwing around more bombs than the rest of the world combined.
Israel counts as America. Its basically their middle Easter forward operating base. UN voting records demonstrates this.
And as far as bomb throwing numbers go, depends on how far back in time you wanna go. I think unless youre very selective and go for less than even a decade you'll see America on top
ALL OF ISRAEL'S BOMBS COME FROM AMERICA. You might be the single dumbest lib to ever wander into hexbear
Look up what we did and continue to do in places like Laos.
Sarajevo was in the Socialist Federated Republic of Yugoslavia. The SFRY was the example of a civilized country. It was a pioneer of the Non-Aligned Movement, and if you had asked anyone living there back then what they would feel if the USA disintegrated, you'd be met with indifference.
The United States was deeply instrumental in destroying that country, much like it destroyed Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia, Laos, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and enacted disastrous regime changes in more countries than you can name in one breath, or maybe two whole breaths.
The primary root cause of war in the modern era is capitalist expansion, and the greatest lever of this expansion is the United States. It's not redeemable in its current form; Trump is the scourge of God upon America.
You have to be joking. Like...America caused that.
The world would be immeasurably better off with the fascist ameriKKKan entity defanged, in terminal condition unable to cause havoc across the rest of the world. I'd take a world dominated by Russia and China (aka BRICS) any day of the week without hesitation.
Death to ameriKKKa, death to piSSrael
This is some of the most deranged, white man's burden, imperialist garbage I've ever heard
The US is the militaristic nation sitting in the power vacuum strictly limiting rights and freedoms. Thats what imperialism is dumbass
Not beating those claims of chauvanism.
Jesus fucking christ. Get your head out of your ass. The world would be absolutely fine without America. We'd shake it off like a bad case of the fleas. America had been the most brutal and devastating country to ever exist. Its rotten to the core. I really don't think you've read the room. Generally speaking, we here at Hexbear want that power vacuum more than fucking anything and would be hyped as hell to see China fill it. We are communists. This is a communist web zone. You are threatening us with a good time here.
I say this with zero irony
Death To America
No, the world would be better off. The US Empire is the millitaristic power destorying peoples lives around the world, not China of all countries, not Russia either. The death toll from the US Empire is absolutely towering over every other country in existence right now.
This is peak "white man's burden" shit.
This is wrong. From beginning to end. The US Empire is a blight on the world, it functions through brutal extraction of wealth in the Global South. The US Empire was not moving in a positive direction, tell that to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iran, Palestine, Cuba, Chile, everyone the US has terrorized for profit. The "aid" provided by the US comes with clauses requiring total capitulation to US capital, the US isn't ending starvation, it creates reliance on US foodstuffs to hyper-exploit the global south.
Trump is not unique. Trump is not a special calamity. Trump is "special" in that he doesn't play coy or try to hide the way the US Empire acts, he just says it and brags about it.
Trump both represents the US Empire and the worst people on the planet, because its the same. The world wants the US Empire to finally go the way of Rome and collapse. I am a US citizen, it's the historic task of the US working class to finally end this genocidal settler-colony so that a more just Socialist society can take its place.
This shit makes me sad. You want to be politically engaged, you want to understand the world around you, but you've been taught lies your whole life, and you refuse to try and break out of the political ideology you've been taught and accepted. So you sit here and say trump is an aberration. You call him names because that's all you can think to do. You don't see that trump is a symptom, not a cause. You think if you just vote correctly that somehow, the world will improve around you. But it won't.
You remind me of my dad and it just makes me sad. I don't have some glib, clever way to end this. You'll believe what you believe, and nothing we can say will change your mind, unless you let it. Which I encourage you to try and do. Consider that maybe "communism" isn't the dirty word you've been taught it is. Consider that perhaps there is a way towards a brighter future, it's just that it won't come from the democratic party.
I hope you come to a fuller understanding of the world as it actually is rather than as you wish it were, I really, truly do.
This comment section is just making me sad now, fuck
Okay. We're communists. This is a communist message board. Different iterations and opinions are gonna vary person to person, but broadly speaking you are on a communist message board with communist users presenting a communist take. It seems maybe you aren't aware of that?
Citations needed here. Let me guess
Like rescuing all those nazis from the soviets!