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Yeah it's a bad argument here when applied to libs and it's a bad argument then as well. This notion that they're mad at us because secretly know we're right is pure self-aggrandizing puffery.
ya, it seems much more likely that federated "libs" despise OP/us because OP is/ we are incredibly rude to them, and in OP's case, have a really uncharitable psychological theory about how they are secretly mad at us, rather than just concluding that such libs simply have different (and wrong) appraisals of facts and values.
I've always thought that the dirtbag left should be incredibly tactical about it's dirtbagness. The fact that we didn't entirely remove incivility from our toolbox was fantastic and certainly set us apart and up for a rollicking good time, but it did become a bit one note.
Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk rip www.reddit.com/r/TweeLeft
I'm generally on the same page, but then I look at how other instances are treating Lemmygrad, how reddit snuffs out even the most respectful leftist comments, how cops respond to peaceful protests, etc.
The buttoned up approach has value, but so does what we're doing.
Oh yeah, the real power in the dirtbag approach was it refused to give deference to mores of politeness that those in power insisted were due to them (despite being entirely unearned and used to run interference for absolutely abhorrent decision-making).
I don't see it nearly as useful when applied to randos online though.
It can definitely backfire. But it's impossible to know what online randos will respond to (people change their minds in different ways) and some folks do respond to having their bullshit called what it is.
Also important to remember the lurkers, who vastly outnumber us humble posters, and who are not going to be as turned off by hostility as the person on the receiving end of it -- especially when right next to the hostility you have someone making a more conventional argument.
I think the actually more salient issue is that, we're openly having fun clowning on these morons. Lurkers see us having an absolute ball and opt to join in. Recall that you can point to the origin of this online subcurrent as a mishmash of SomethingAwful and largely apolitical 'weird twitter'.
Great point -- people, they love fun!
I think you make a good point.
Fucking thank you lmao, hexbear was starting to get all smug redditor like in the comments.
Also, is that not how most groups think of their "enemies"? "We're better and they know it, thats why they do bad thing"