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I’m back! It’s been a while since I’ve been on this site because I’ve found myself under some financial trouble and I’ve been stressed BUT I wanted to take this opportunity to talk about something I love dearly: dihedral groups!

Consider the symmetries of a square:

We can see that there are 4 reflections and 3 rotations, as well as the act of doing nothing at all. Together, we have 8 total symmetries, and in fact, these are all of the possible symmetries. What this means is that if we do one of these symmetric moves and then do another one, we will have not changed the square, and therefore doing these two moves is the same as doing just one of the 8 symmetries on its own. For example, doing a 90 degree rotation followed by a 180 degree rotation is the same as doing a 270 degree rotation. Also, doing a 90 degree rotation followed by a reflection across the vertical axis is the same as doing a reflection across a diagonal axis.

So in other words, we can define a function that takes two symmetries of a square as input and which outputs another symmetry. Since standard multiplication is a function taking two numbers and outputting another number, it makes sense to borrow the notation of multiplication for this function. Our symmetry function satisfies a few useful properties:

  • Closure: As explained above, for any two symmetries, the function will spit out another symmetry
  • Identity: There is a symmetry (namely, the “do nothing” symmetry) such that when it is input into the function with another symmetry, the function will always simply output the other symmetry
  • Associativity: For any symmetries a, b, and c, (ab)c = a(bc)
  • Inverses: For every symmetry, there is a symmetry that undoes it. For example, rotating a square by 270 degrees undoes rotating it by 90 degrees, and doing a reflection a second time after doing it once undoes the first reflection

These 4 properties are so important that any set of objects with a function defined on it that satisfies all of these properties has a special name: they’re called groups and they’re really freaking awesome. The symmetries of a square as a group is called D~8~, since there are 8 total symmetries. Sometimes you might see it called D~4~, since squares have 4 sides, but I think this convention is a bit silly. In the same way, D~6~ is the symmetries of an equilateral triangle, D~10~ is the symmetries of a regular pentagon, and so forth. In general, D~2n~ is the symmetries of a regular n-gon.

Now, one interesting thing is that groups can contain each other. For example, consider an octagon. Since there are squares hidden within the points of octagons, if we pick a square we can see that all of the symmetries of that square are present in the symmetries of of the octagon, so it is possible to throw out all of the other symmetries. What we would be left with is just the symmetries of a square. What this means is that D~8~ is contained in D~16~. You can play similar games to show that there are lots of groups contained inside the dihedral groups.

The last thing I want to talk about regarding these things are their subgroup lattices. Oftentimes mathematicians want to picture the internal structure of a group. One of the ways they might do this is by writing down all of the subgroups of a group they’re studying onto a piece of paper, and then connecting any two with a line if one of them is a subgroup of the other that doesn’t have a subgroup between them. The resulting picture is called a subgroup lattice, and I’ve left some dihedral group lattices below because I think they’re pretty.

two cute dihedral subgroup lattices holding hands and cuddling

Anyway this has been gushposting with your host, yewler. Maybe next mega I might talk about more specific details that make these things cool.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A whirlwind of good and bad things (CW Sex discussion, transphobia, parents reactions, cancer, familial death etc)I had an amazing morning yesterday, my partner and I had sex for the first time since I settled on identifying as a woman and it was just really nice.

Jarring shift in tone we told her parents via video chat because some personal events had pushed our timeline forward and we couldn't do it face to face. Which was probably good because they reacted to me being a trans woman and her being a bisexual woman really badly. Like it was a cancer diagnosis. Both of us felt really hurt by it. It wasn't cut all contact but not the way either of us expected. We're just giving them some time right now.

I saw my doctor this morning. He increased my girl pills and gave me a prescription for dick pills, so my two super-objectives were achieved.

I spoke to my mother which I thought would be fine, and it was but also super-unexpected in a few directions. I had a great uncle who died who everyone assumed was gay, but my mother has been sorting out their old stuff, scanning private pictures and letters, she says based on these she thinks she was actually a trans woman (intimate correspondence with lovers, photos never seen dressing femme). This is kind of surreal as this was a person I knew from childhood to my 20s when they died, it's kind of bittersweet, you know we never got a chance to talk and share with this, but also like I feel this deeper connection?

Also my mum is totally an egg, they always identified as a gay man trapped in a woman's body, they felt enormous relief when they had their breasts removed for cancer and had their ovaries removed. I suggest they read Leslie Feinberg's trans liberation and basically mentioned it's never too late to give cross gender hormones a little spin.

My parents are divorced and I didn't think my mother would be a problem but I'm worried my parent's in law might reach out soon to either of them once their shock wears off, so I'm moving quickly. So I guess I'm talking to my father tonight and I have no idea how it goes, but it's going to be nice have all this done and have ended the phase I've been calling my "soft-open", where I don't hide that I'm trans but I haven't been advertising it either.

It's crazy because for work I've been powering through meetings with a pink linen sport's coat with a she/her pin over otherwise all black, looking C***y AF, but it's easier to be confident to people I've never met before.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You should be able to use the c-word if you have she/her pronouns on this forum.

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