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I may be new here, but why is c/Europe all about Israel (feddit.org)

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These are the top comments, and there is many more. I thought this is about Europe. Is this community (sp.?) being brigaded?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

It is also completely insufficient, yes.

As has been all responses to German demands for the past two years. Remaining on the side of just making demands without exerting real pressure means to remain apathic to the atrocities committed at best, but very often complicit.

Ok, let's game this out: Germany halts all weapons exports to Israel, the EU sanctions Israel into oblivion. What happens? The US quadruple down, Israeli fascists take the opportunity and wrap up the last Israeli in their victim narrative ("see we told you they're all antisemites they want us dead"), leading to the fascists reigning with complete impunity. Commence mulching of Palestine. And all that because the adults decided to leave the room.

I would also very much like to live in a different world. In a world where simple, moral acts result in simple, moral, results. But that ain't the world we're living in.

Save your breath when it comes to Germany, if you want to change the equation focus on the US. One of the two would like to build skyscrapers on the Gaza beachfront to make some quick bucks, the other's reaction to that is "WTF dude".

Also pick one. Either Israel can make all the stuff themselves or they need help. Both at the same time isnt possible.

Turning Palestine into mulch is much easier done than defending against incursions by actual armies. Starving Palestine is even easier, and no amount of not sending weapons will prevent Israel from doing that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

EU makes full sanctions -> bans all ships carrying military and dual use goods from entering ports -> Option A Israel stops. Option B, EU countries agree on a military mission to force an aid corridor into Gaza by Sea. If Israel attacks, Nato article 5.

The idea that Israel would hold back and the US willing to double down and ramp up support and Israel somehow listening to the EU while doing the exact opposite of what is demanded is absurd. If the EU would get its shit together, the US and Israel would stand alone. The EU could get access to the surrounding countries and exert pressure to block US influence. Then the US would have to decide to go to WW3 against the EU to protect Israel? This wont happen.

This is appeasement nonsense. And it is in no way representing "adult" politics. Appeasement didnt work with South Africa. Appeasement didnt work before. Appeasement doesn't work with Russia. Appeasement never works with fascists. The only thing that stops them is to take away any support they have.

And time is running out. We are looking at hundreds of thousands if not millions of people being genocided by starvation this year. There is nothing "adult" about watching a crime and not doing anything to stop it.