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The games with death like that are much better, because they force players to care. From what I played, in Eve online you would really think before doing something stupid, because player killers would wreck your ship without caring that you grinded for 2 months to buy it.
Same was a thousand years ago in Ultima Online where you could get ganked and eaten by an ork bandit. That led to me taking a chance and run through a forest naked, because I had a house deed in my pocket, and I didn't want to look like an interesting target. It ended up in a bandit chitchatting with me and letting me go with the words: "I wouldn't walk around in these parts" - yeah, no shit.
Great experiences!
It's just at some point gamedevs started catering to middle-school kids who would buy in-game stuff with their mom's card and got upset when it wat taken from them.
Edit: typo (shop/ship)
The one thing a Dune game must have are scary sandworms, if it was like any other death nobody would care about them, so I agree they should destroy all your stuff. People need to fear the open sand
Absolutely - for me it's not about making games "scary", it's about having "extreme reward/extreme punishment" mechanics which change players behaviors in interesting ways. But specifically, punishing unrealistic behaviours when you are afk and your character is in a scary forest, or when you are in a deadly desert choosing emojis in the chat
I don't mind very punishing death mechanics, but when pvp is involved I absolutely hate it. I play more than the average person, but when some sweaty ass pvp'er who plays 80 hours/week shows up, it's just never going to be any kind of competitive fight. There is no way I will ever be able to do anything against that kind of player, and I'm also not in any way interested in trying. I like pve, not pvp.
Oh, of course in case of two examples I made, there are safe areas, stuff to do if you want to live in peace, etc. In Ultima, only you could unlock the door of your own house so hiding inside would work. And inside towns you could call npc quards (so everyone would have it as a shortcut).
In Eve there are many protected systems, it's just getting stuff from nullsec (lawless/unowned) systems could be more lucrative, so you learn to take your risks.
I know it's not always that way - as I see from Rust memes, everyone is just chaotically running around killing new players - but maybe it doesn't show the real picture
Maybe some people just don't like grinding for hours and hours to replace stuff they already acquired in a video game. I'm not sure why you have to present your opinion as if it's the only valid option and everyone who disagrees is an immature child.
Personally, I would rather that we have a variety of different game types and options. There aren't very many MMOs that make death feel meaningful. If it's not your type of game, then don't play it.
I didn't say you have to grind. This is exactly what I mean, tou would start thinking differently. You would take someone with you (hire a bodyguard? friends from yesterday's pve stuff? guild/corporation friends?)
And for why I have to present my opinion - well, you do present yours. People present opinions all the time. Maybe you're a child, I don't know - you decided to read something "between the lines", but were there anything like that, or are you just insecure?
You presented your opinion and then contrasted it with that of middle school children spending their parents money. If you don't think that comes off as you saying anyone who disagrees with you has the perspective of a middle schooler then you aren't a very good communicator.
The market did change in the end of 90s-start of 2000s - before, games were mostly done for "nerds with PCs", because usually only well-off adults had something decent at home. Then, mass adoption of PCs, PS3and XBox, led to age of an average gamer drop to a teenager, for the first time in history. So many games were, in general, "dumbed down". Now we see a great picture of market coming back, and there is a shitton of everything engineering/economics.. I'm not saying that middle schoolers don't deserve to play games - they do, and I did. It's just, for example, WoW's "account bound" and "char bound" stuff wasn't a good thing, but it then became a standard, and started an age of microtransactions (will you argue itcs a bad thing?)