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[–] [email protected] 121 points 18 hours ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 55 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

So it was 30 years ago. I feel like, even though things are far from perfect now, nowadays a comment like this would draw quite a few more critical looks than back then.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

People in 1994 knew exactly how fucked this was.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

Sure, but knowing how fucked something is and actually speaking out about it are two very different things.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

It was also 30 years closer to Harriet Tubman, in a time when black civil rights were not even as sanded smooth as they appear now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Bruh we've got a Nazi president

[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 hours ago

And he's fucking everyone instead of just black people. We had a DEI program to rollback again. If someone calls me the n-word, I can post that on Tiktok and have a ~~50~~ 40% chance of getting them fired.

Shit's bad but shit's almost always been bad for black people in America, so you mark the little peaks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Why would you think that? I was around in 1994, and if anything, it got worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No, sorry. Go watch any sitcom from the nineties. There is a lot of stuff in there (racism, sexism, homophobia) that would cause a shitstorm these days.

Maybe you lived in a progressive bubble back then (good for you) but as someone born in the nineties who grew up in the early 00s, I have to say, ignorance was a lot more tolerated back then, even in the 00s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

So you're looking at an era that you probably don't remember actively being a part of, and you compare it to the world you do remember. I don't think I was the one to live in a bubble*. Also, have you seen Musk do the Hitler salute on television? Nobody tried pulling shit like that in 1994.

*I lived, and still live, in a very rural area, which is not know for being progressive.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago

It's such an insane story that I wonder what the other side of it is. It's easy to imagine the guy just having got out of a meeting ten minutes earlier with "if you don't get Julia Roberts into a movie by the end of the week, I'll see you never work in this town again!" ringing in his ears.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Look up who Alec McGuiness played in Lawrence of Arabia.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Or look at Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Or Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra. Or John Wayne in Gengis Khan.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Or Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra.

Cleopatra was by ancestry mostly Greek. So I don't get what you mean.

Most of her subjects weren't quite "black" either.

Sorry for this interjection, but I hate wrong corrections, especially when they give up cute chains of thought like "queen of (hellenistic, that's my own addition) Egypt -> Egypt's in the African continent -> black".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I never said she should've been black. But some milktoast British lady is still several shades lighter than any Egyptian in history.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Greek and ME people sometimes look very light. And face powders too exist.

So I wouldn't say there's anything too weird with her appearance. I suppose portrayal of Americans in North Korean war films is weirder.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, the thing a lot of people seem to miss is just how major of a geographic barrier the Sahara is. As a consequence, northern Africans weren't generally very black for most of history.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago

Or Emma Stone in Aloha, or Max Minghella in The Social Network, or Tilda Swinton in Doctor Strange.