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Something that provides a whole lot of modern context is realizing that America was France’s early “Proxy war”. They wanted to give Britain a hard time, and so they gave colonials weapons to do it. Both of us won out from that exchange.
The key part here is that France didn’t keep an iron stranglehold of us. It was enough to win us our freedom that we would want to be their buddies without being forced. Fun story for anyone who insists the US wants to control the Ukrainian government.
You might want to look into what happened to the French government and its leadership shortly after funding that little proxy war. Let me give you a quick rundown, because I enjoy history:
The American Revolution was incredibly expensive and put France into an extreme financial crisis. Of course, the court's extravagent personal spending didn't help things (and made for better revolutionary propaganda), but in reality it was about 6% of total government expenditure, while loan payments, mostly from the war, represented around 50%. Even with very high taxes, it was impossible to balance the budget. A report from March 1788 estimated a deficit of 20% of expenditures, which could only be made up by more borrowing
This financial crisis led to the king calling the Estates General, something that hadn't been done in hundreds of years, to bring representatives of the three estates (nobility, clergy, and everyone else) together to work out a solution. When an agreement could not be reached, the representatives of the third estate left the Estates General and declared that they were creating a "National Assembly," which claimed to represent the popular democratic will, and started work on a new constitution. The royal family ended up declared traitors and got their heads chopped off. And the rest is history. (My source for this is an old book I own called The Coming of the French Revolution by Georges Lefebvre)
So, dumping a bunch of money on a proxy war in a bid to raise their geopolitical status and undermine their rival didn't really work out so well for France. They were so focused on playing geopolitics against Britain, but by failing to address declining conditions at home, they created a much more dangerous domestic threat which brought about the government's downfall.
Pfft, I don't want to control the Ukrainian government.
I just want Russia to suffer for their crimes.
We are not the same.
The assholes are bombing the reactor containment over the incident site they created originally, I am more than happy to ship all the bombs to Kyiv so they can walk into Moscow and hang the war criminal in charge
Nah, takes too long.
We should spring for express shipping, sure we have some air-launched cruise missiles we can mount to b-1bs to handle the logistics.
What we really need to do is send some f22s on 'training maneuvers', and be extremely surprised when random sukhoi start falling out of the sky.
Not a bad idea. Some 22s logging training hours flying from Poland to Finland to visit our friends while the Lancers practice nighttime maneuvers out of Elmendorf would have Ivan shitting his pants as things start exploding from all around, one thing we do very well is long range logistics.