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This might cause a struggle but: Calling people prudes for not wanting to sexualise themselves is bad (hexbear.net)

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"We need to sex up your wardrobe. What do you mean you're not comfortable wearing that? Oh honey, don't be such a prude, all the girls are doing it and you want to be successful don't you? No one's going to watch someone that dresses like their grandma."

I get sick and tired of so called leftists equating exploitation to sexual liberation.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would have probably compared sex as a hobby to, like, D&D or something. Maybe tennis. In the sense that sex you're usually doing with other people, not to other people, as it could be argued you do carpentry to wood.

So I don't think sex (usually) objectifies human bodies in the same way carpentry objectifies wood. I straight up don't think that's (usually) true.

Furthermore, (most) sex doesn't involve urine and blood, so I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here. Now, sure, sex can be dangerous, you gotta watch out for pregnancy and STD's, but then, carpentry can also be dangerous, saws cut fingers off sometimes, you know?

Finally, I'm pretty sure most hobby carpenters aren't making houses. And most hobby sex-havers are specifically avoiding pregnancy, on purpose, because they're doing sex for fun rather than procreation.

Basically, I think you're wrong about sex. I feel, from your comment, your hatred of sex, that comes through loud and clear, and I have no interest in trying to convince you out of that hatred. It's cool, not everyone has to be into sex, that's totally fine. But your reasons for thinking sex as a hobby is worse than other hobbies are not real reasons.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

posdtive feelings I have when using others as a sexual object for my personal pleasure

If sex were not about physical objectification, it would not be a physical act. This is not a debate.

What the fuck. In your mind every single sexual encounter is all participants using each other as objects for personal pleasure? That has not been my experience, and my guess is it isn't the experience of most people who have sex. Sex should be mutually pleasurable and is something you do collaboratively with other people. It's not getting your own pleasure regardless of how your partner(s) feel, it's everyone involved working together to try and make the experience good for everyone.

Do you think every physical act is about objectification? When I, say, play tennis with someone, are we objectifying each other then too? What about when I cuddle with my partner? When we both go in for a hug because we want to experience that physical closeness? Is that objectification? Am I "using him" every time I hug my partner?

Also, I don't hate your position on sex, I'm being sincere when I say you don't have to like it or engage with it, ever, for any reason. That's fine, there's really no issue there. All I'm saying is that some people (me included) like sex, and it's a little odd to be told I'm using my partner as an object every time we get intimate. That's really weird, and not at all what's happening.