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Here's a new clearer statement to express my thoughts on the matter.
Contrails are visible and normal and fine. I probably don't fully understand the science behind them, but I realize what we are seeing is water vapor.
Chemtrails are also real though. They are invisible to the naked eye and are directly contributing to global warming as well as some health concerns that are hard to quantify. They are not some conspiracy to control or disable the masses. The exhaust of cars and especially planes leave a trail of harmful chemicals behind them. The reason for this is because we care more about convenience and money than we do about the ecosystem we live in.
I personally believe pointing out that dichotomy is more useful than laughing at people who are misinformed.
that's not a workable strategy because when you redefine terms like that you sound just like a conspiracy theorist. exhaust gases are not "chemtrails", they're exhaust gases. they're dangerous and everywhere, but they're not a secret government conspiracy.
we don't need a "new way" to talk about things with people who refuse to understand.
If you loosely define chemtrails as "a trail of chemicals" then almost everything has chemtrails. Fuckkin ants have chemtrails, it's how they communicate and navigate.
Chemtrail conspiracists literally think that airplanes are full of 55 gallon drums of chemicals with the express purpose to harm or feminize the populace to prevent people from opposing the government.
...so it's working then
Chemtrails are broadly believed to be nefarious chemicals that alter everything from weather (to facilitate global warming, not to prevent it) to human/animal hormones. While exhaust is no doubt harmful, when conspiracy theorists speak of chemtrails, they are speaking of shady government operatives intentionally loading the planes with experimental chemicals that are meant to be rained down onto the masses.
Can you blame them when the US government has directly experimented on the American populace in past?
e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
From the page:
239 open-air tests of biological agents in a 20 year period. Many, many people are still alive from that time period. It's not that long ago.
Or more broadly, just look at this page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
Do those pages inspire trust in the government and military? Would you know if you were being experimented on and gaslit?
Corporations engage in similar unethical behavior, like putting ingredients that are known to be toxic or harmful to human health in products we consume or put on our bodies.
Instead of blaming or name-calling people who are paranoid or suspicious, we need a society with a greater focus on human rights — with more regulation and oversight. A society that inspires trust, with the facts, ethics, and independent review to back it up.
You're leaving out the massively important fact that a basic science fact that one can experiment and experience themselves on a cool morning is enough to destroy these idiots. If your world view is that fragile then you deserve all mockery you get for holding it continually
Why go out of your way to disprove them, laugh at them, or name-call them? You can just empathize with them.
For me, I'd rather address why the government HAS felt it had the right to experiment on us. I can NOT blame these individuals for treading into delusion with our current system being the way it is, especially considering the history.
They're willingly living in stupidity. If we just let people do that we get people like Trump, so Id rather avoid that
Neither can I, but as I said you're purposefully ignoring a big part of what's being discussed: the part where they don't ever tread back out of delusion. There's 0 defense for that
Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and mainstream media played a pretty big role in Trump's rise to power. Everybody is responsible for his rise to power, but the facts are facts. They intentionally elevated him.
These people don't have power over others like Trump.
You aren't responsible for other's beliefs. You are loosely reveling in their suffering, whether you realize it or not. They are very concerned and are likely vulnerable individuals.
Plenty of things happen in this world that each respective populace doesn't consent to.
Seriously, why single them out for going a little crazy? It's not like I haven't pointed at somebody and laughed in the past, so no judgement here, but the whole system and world order is nuts and we need something new.
If you are worried about people holding factually incorrect or wrong beliefs, e.g. delusions, then advocate for decentralized media, unbiased news organizations, etc. Help elevate voices that help others to climb out of their delusions and fear.
These are the people voting Trump in, dude, you cant actually be this dense
No, but I do try to make the world a less stupid place when I can
If they're too stupid to learn basic science then I reeeeally don't care
Ok? They're also very stupid individuals, I don't care at all what makes them believe the blatantly stupid thing, only that they refuse to accept reality
Because it's a very obvious and easy one to point out. There are posts about other delusions all the time, this one just happened to be about these specific people
I also do this. Weird of you to assume that someone on Lemmy doesn't just because they also don't respect people who refuse to think
You're doing an awful lot of defending of people who are choosing to behave the way they do, it's weird. Gonna file you in with them and call it a day, you don't seem to be too far from them in the ol' comprehension skill
Of course these individuals share responsibility for potentially voting for him, but we ALL share responsibility for him rising to power.
We don't need to call out stupidity to make it a better place. Expressing yourself with clarity and confidence of thought is infinitely better.
You don't need to care about any of this.
If somebody you love is frightened (in a general sense), what would you do? Calming them down and helping to see the truth would be one potential path to ease their suffering. What would making fun of them do?
Do what you want, I'm not going to apologize for my behavior or take it personally. If my crime is being too empathetic, guess I'm guilty.
Contrails are assholes. They are too thin to reflect sunlight, but they soak up and trap heat. They form a blanket and contribute a ton to global warming.