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[-] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Those anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians who claim this are just trying to sabotage democracy.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago

Or it's people who feel disenfranchised.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Not voting makes it easier for politicians to ignore them.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

If they feel disenfranchised, they are probably already ignored.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

That’s a self fulfilling prophecy.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Or a pat answer to give to disenfranchised people you don't want represented. "If we're ignoring you it's because you're not involved enough!"

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Those people could also set up their own regional party to get their voices better heard in parliament like the bloc have successfully done, I'm not saying to "only vote."

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

There's always some new criterion for not being ignored.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

This conversation is not productive, stop being self defeatist and start working on solutions.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

This conversation has reached the conclusion implicit in its opening.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

You will lay on the floor doing nothing while claiming you're "realistic"

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

anarchists, tankies, fascists and authoritarians

Spot the odd one out!

I've definitely seen anarchists describe frustration with electoral politics, especially when people limit their political engagement to simply voting once every so many years. However, I've never seen one advocate against voting.

Anarchists are generally aware that, despite elections not being the thing that will overthrow the bourgeoisie, some parties result in less suffering for oppressed peoples than others.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

The anarchist argument is that voting somehow endorses the state and is consent to being governed. It's not a very good argument, but it is an argument nevertheless.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

That's not an actual argument I've ever heard and I'm an anarchist myself, it usually goes more like:

Voting is a waste of time especially the more disenfranchised you are, mutual aid lasts longer and does more for people around you in the short term, in the long term you can build community get organized, and bargain for more than what simply voting can get you.

Personally that's not a bad argument, see I'm living in Israel and my town's going through gentrification, and the state I'm living under is fascist and the fascism is so normalized, not because of people like me refusing to vote, but because of liberals who were never so different from the fascists, constantly giving them ground, always bargaining for the bare minimum.

The only people actually getting anything done that is remotely positive are activists, like the people protesting to stop the genocide, and getting involved physically with sabotaging fascist efforts to stop humanitarian aid from getting into gaza.

Or at least that's how it was months ago, i haven't found it in me to listen to the news on quite a while, so what do i know.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Libs will do anything they can to avoid understanding anti-electoralism

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I live in Illinois. If somehow the heavens and earth move such that Illinois turned red, then there would be absolutely zero chance it would be the tipping point in the presidential election. The vast majority of people in the US live in safe states.

And for the record, I do vote in down-ballot races, the ones that actually matter, but none of you care because it's all about genuflecting before the leader of the blue tribe. Which, frankly, just gives me more reason to refuse to.

"Democracy" doesn't need our help to be sabotaged, it's falling apart on it's own. Every time someone says that the voters have to change en masse to meet the policies of politicians rather than politicians having to respond to what their constituents want, they are the ones taking the axe to democracy. Why the hell would anyone care about upholding or defending a system that we have no say in? Somehow, insisting on popular demands and trying to turn the will of the people into policies that protect the rights of the vulnerable gets translated into "trying to sabotage democracy" equating Anarchists and Marxists alike with fascists.

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