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So the reality of a trump presidency is setting in and I'm starting to think of the historical transitions of "world powers". As a hegemon, the US emerged as a world power as a victor in WW1, WW2, and the cold war, all of which were violent conflicts. Now, the US falters as China emerges as their respective philosophies on government play out.

Is there any way the US passes the baton to China in a peaceful manner?

What does that mean for us in the near future?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Overall, it's astonishing how little militarized violence occurred at the end of the Eastern Bloc. Nearly all of the violence (aside from shelling the government building to prevent the people from trying to go back to communism) was caused by austerity (not that this was a small amount of violence by any means, given that at least six million people died from it).

The Revolutions of 1848 would fit the bill if not for the violent counterrevolutions that occurred in 1849.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

And all of the other wars.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought about that, but I think that that's in a different category than the USSR's dissolution.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah definitely Yugoslavia was in the Balkens not Eastern Europe, and non aligned movement not Warsaw Pact. It's more like if China broke apart and there was a restoration of "liberal democracy" and oligarchs etc, then Vietnam broke out in a Civil War due to US meddling economically, politically and covertly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

In Romania, while direct political violence did happen, it was hardly a blip as far as violent revolutions go.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

And the civil war in Tajikistan. And wars in Transnistria, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh. And the war in Donbass and so on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

It was a coup d'etat,not a true revolution

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Overall, it's astonishing how little militarized violence occurred at the end of the Eastern Bloc

So much for the power-hungry militaristic communists and the unwavering state structure huh?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The Gang of Eight called their coup against Gorbachev off after three civilians died. Three! Three million civilian deaths wouldn't even make the average American politician flinch.