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I mean, there’s plenty of progressive policies at like 60% support or more from what I remember for the whole country? I think it’s a harder sell to the DNC to allow a progressive policy than it is to the actual constituents.
Also, I think Clinton and Harris had larger problems other than being a woman, but I do agree it could be a problem for AOC. I’m not particularly pushing for her to be the candidate, but the first that comes to mind that’s possible.
She's my hopeful contender for the future. I would like to see more energetic and educated young people in there with a backbone and a will to fight.
I do not think the public understands progressive policy. This last election was a perfect example. You had Kamala promising down payments on housing, child tax credits and a whole bunch of progressive policy that addressed major voter issues. People voted for raising taxes on themselves instead of the rich. They don't even want progressivism. Like they proved it 4 months ago. They said it was gay and they wanted to trade social security for billionaire tax cuts. Anything but a black woman!
I mean… she also said she was going to be tough on immigration, continue to give bombs to Israel to destroy Gaza, not break from Biden on basically anything, toured with the fucking Cheneys, and plenty of other … great… things. Not to mention she had a late start… after primaries could have happened…. So… yeah. Lot of reasons she did not do great. Plus a lot of her “progressive” stuff was…. Eh…. Child tax credits already a thing just keeping it isn’t exactly progressive, I don’t remember much on the housing but her business stuff was also something that sounded nice but was also… not much. Like you wanna help small businesses then pass Medicare for all dude, when a small business doesn’t have to compete with free health care, they have a much better chance.
So glad you guys could destroy america to virtue signal about Gaza. We needed that 2% of protest non-votes and Jill stien votes. When they're hauling your friends off to Gitmo remeber that. Won't be another election so point is mute. Good luck day dreaming about. 'the perfect progressive candidate' when the BEST progressive policies barely enjoy a majority support.
Great glad you brought up Gaza. I think it's wonderful that we went from soft support of isreal, to full on Genocide. Like grind up the palestinians and use them for the foundation of Trump hotel genocide. Not slow rolling generations of terrorism genocide.
So ya dude this is what im saying about the messaging, you're still hung up on whats wrong with Kamala, while the alternative who was elected, removes medicare entirely. Promotes actual removing all the people with no final destination genocide. Cuts weapons from Ukraine to give MORE to isreal
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR PROGRESSIVE DREAMS HAS BEEN DESTROYED. You will never get these policies passed now. Just stick with voting for Jill Stien. So fucking stupid you watched Kamala trying to reach out to the median vote and thought wow, we'd be better off with Trump because then the Dem's will come further left with me.
Dude they're going to deport you for your progressive views. And then we can finally win an election. So Like idk hows this wonderful progressive vision playing out? Does it end in Gitmo?
lol I did not vote for Jill Stein. Also, if you think Harris would’ve magically stopped Israel from continuously killing Palestinians during a ceasefire… well… they didn’t. Nor did they stop the entire genocide happening while Biden was in charge. It would have been… less public? Cool? I guess?
The democrats won’t pass anything progressive either, so it’s not like my progressive dreams were gonna happen if Harris won. And like, the genocide shit was one single point of the many things that were issues for her. One of the most obvious things she could have done to signal she is not Biden and will listen to constituents.
Like I understand foreign policy in the Middle East is a lot but acting like there’s nothing we could do about us sending bombs to commit genocide, while we were actively telling Ukraine they could not attack Russia using our weapons, is just silly. (Yes we did eventually let them attack Russia, but the fact that there was a time they had to hold off, meanwhile our bombs are dropping on civilians in Gaza, is wild.)
No its alright, because now we cut USAID to palestine effectively starving them. They won't last long under the bombs while starving.
I care about the 70 million americans who depend on social security to survice. I care about the 30 million americans that are food insecure and facing empty food banks.Me and everyone else in america could care less about palestine when grandmas life is at risk.
I'm going to sumerize your political view. My way or the highway. If i don't get what i want everyone should suffer. If i can't get 100 million people to agree with my political opinion than 330 million people should suffer.
Now we've got the most evil regime passing the most evil policy they can think of every day. 45% complete with project 2025.
The way i see it you guys had a clear choice: A. Candidate that may not promote progressiveism, but is not regressive and we know what to expect. B. Candidate that wanted to do a military based mass deportation, and enact 1900 policies erasing 100 years of progressive progress. C. Wasting your vote on a third party candidate who said what you wanted to hear, but existed only to split critical vote.
Reality called. We're on our way back to 1920 but with nukes. Nationalism and international paranoia. First amendment is under attack. Everythings under attack. You finally beat them neo-liberals, congrats on your nazis
At the end of the day you are either an educated voter who understands congress passes funding for isreal, or you pretend that the president writes budget laws, and then help vote in the president who is 1000x more genocidal. You pick the one that starts a war with canada and europe, and every liberal policy on the books.
You supported 1900's wars, race relations, economics. Like soooo progressive wow lets get everyone a ribbon, or arm band. So anyway, great long term planning on implementing progressive policy. I'm sure the Gulag will be a bastion of marxist thought.
So, what’s your plan on passive progressive policy? Keep voting for centrists that keep campaigning with republicans? That remove third parties from elections? That run attack ads on third parties? That refuse primaries? We keep doing that and the party is going to be where republicans are now in 20 years. If the DNC refuses to adopt progressive policies, they lose. That’s not my fault. They would rather Trump win than give up their power. Can’t support a party that doesn’t represent me. I would like it to, but it refuses.
Yall need to understand people criticize the DNC because they want it to be better. Most progressives still vote, and even if they did not vote for Harris, they voted down ballot. But when you sue to remove their candidate from the ballot, then they don’t show up and then you lose those local elections. When you continuously attack progressives and defend the DNC’s choice to abandon progress after it had the biggest victory it’s had running on the promise of progress in 2008, you’re helping to cause voter apathy and that leads to losing local elections. Which leads to republicans controlling the house and senate and presidency.
Personally I'm considering the possibility of a third party that can sweep a majority. I'm exploring ideas and policies that work. I'm running them by my friends from different walks of life. I'm personally thinking of taking a run at Susan Collins seat in Maine. A very right leaning district. If I could get a right wing district as a centrist, we would have a friendlier face to progressive views. We would have a person that could message progressive policy to the middle. If we could replicate this in multiple red districts and take the senate maybe we could defund isreal. I'd love to not be accountable for death and resume sending food aid to Gaza.
As you know progressive policies come from Congress. So we need to get a friendly majority in congress some way or the other. The DNC has got to go, we need to shame them into submission or leave them for a better voting block. If the DNC is still in place we're sstuck with lesser of two evil candidates and small incremental changes.
I like small incremental changes. I appreciate the scocial progress from 1950-2025 we are heading in the right direction until Trump got in. Now we are back at 1920 and you want to talk to me about Kamalas proposed policies she was using to win an election. Issues that polled well with median US voters.
You know 70% of voters consider immigration in elections? It's a real issue people vote on. You and i may not agree with them but we can't drown out their voices that defies democracy.
I dont know what to do i'm just in awe of the lefts response to this presidency and congress, and the endless policy. We're still talking about biden and the DNC. they are dead and gone. irrelevant to our future. If we had Kamala we could be debating each other all day about how to get a better progressive candidate. now the real question is how will 1/3 of the country survive this admin? How will democracy even work in 2 years?
Glad we can at least agree on some things. I just try and stop people from attacking the leftists because most still will vote down ballot, which helps with congress and local elections and local amendments and other ballot measures, but stopping them from voting means losing all of that. Can’t really blame them for not voting for a party that refuses to represent them. I’d rather encourage someone to vote third party than not vote.
And yeah, while I understand immigration is something people think about, that was honestly one of the biggest things to piss me off. We did not need to validate their bullshit racist irrational fears and decide to be “hard on immigration.” Like, stop playing by their bullshit games and do something right.
I love my local leftists. Very civic minded. Tend to their communities. Do support great local legislation. They volunteer to feed the homless and create community programs. It's the internet leftists that exist to score points that are giving them a bad name.
Also leftist policy gets more dicey at a larger scale. I'd love to see more leftist in state government, i realistically dont expect them to gain much national traction for another generation or two. Authoritarianism will have a leftist reaction, i pray its not a violent one.
Yeah I think the largest reason a lot of people are more upset with DNC over refusing progressive policy is that well, there’s still plenty of leftist policy that people would not go for so something like PSL, whose last candidates were talking about nationalizing the top 100 companies would not be something I could see people getting behind. And yeah, the internet is the internet, I just wish people didn’t get so stuck in their ways that leftists are tankies or vegans are snobby assholes or etc. like sure some of those people exist but most real humans aren’t those stereotypes. But oh well.
Senator Brooker has been filibustering the senate for almost 20 hours. Reading testimony from american people who are suffering under trump. He's crying and begging people to take action. He's pleading for our dying democracy, saying that's all he can do. We are all really suffering right now. We need unity. If you have a chance there are good democrats on the senate floor right now doing everything they can to stop republican legislation. Not all democrats are bad eaither. A lot of people really care. if you can watch this filibuster it might be the longest in history, and it may give you some hope that there are representatives that care and are trying to find a solution. They are hearing us.
https://www.c-span.org/event/us-senate/us-senate/432077
Yeah my problem is (mostly) with the DNC and Dem leadership. Did see him doing that, which is impressive for sure.
the DNC is like a puppy dog, you have to reward it when it does good and scold it when it is bad. Or we can just abolish it for a more favorable party/leadership. Im over them as well. I just don't want to hand an empty void over to the republicans for more control.
Nah if you've ever lived near a big city you know based leftists who are amazing intelligent people. And ya if you've been on the internet you also know the purity testing and violence they can represent.
At this point im just trying to figure out who reluctantly voted for Kamala, and who stubbornly handed trump an election with Jill Stien. I want those lefts out. Their views do not reflect the democrats. They are just using democrats to push their ideology, but they are not here for us when it matters. I don't want the people who would ignore the danger trump represented any more than i want the DNC who failed to counter him.
What im sayin' is I hope you good lefties win the purity test once and for all. We need you guys but you are not a large enough voting base to concede popular issues to.