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Ah, yes, let’s make laws specifically banning 2-5 children from ever having fun.
Like… what the fuck is wrong with you that you think a law targeting under 10 people in the entirety of the US is justified and not literally just bullying those kids on a national level to hope they fucking commit suicide? A law to tell 5 kids, specifically, that fuck them and they’re not allowed to have fun is god damn crazy.
https://www.newsweek.com/how-many-transgender-athletes-play-womens-sports-1796006
So you're saying that people like Michael Phelps should be excluded from competing in sports due to the famous athelete's "biological advantages"?
Should Michael Phelps be allowed to compete against 13 year olds?
If they're allowed to team up on him, sure. XD
So segregating competitors to some extent based on physical ability makes sense?
Depends on what the point is.
If the point is to give everyone a chance to compete fairly then breaking the sport into tiers based on ability makes sense and gender segregation would be unnecessary.
If the point is to make space for women to participate in sports, then excluding certain kinds of women because of some personal characteristic outside of their control would defeat the purpose. Trans women deserve not to have to play with the boys too.
It's not segregated by gender, it's segregated by sex.
If genotype and hormone testing aren't mandatory then it's gender segregregated. Sex isn't a property one can assume from outward appearances.
Of course it is. You can instantly tell the sex of 99% of people from a single glance. And it's pretty simple to clear up that last 1% with a single brief exchange.
Admitting that you can only get 99% accuracy is an admission that sex isn't what you're seeing when you try to guess someone's gender, and that you think that the existence of trans and gender-nonconforming people is something that can be ignored because our lives are less important than the convenience of your assumptions.
https://www.advocate.com/news/lesbian-mistaken-transgender-arizona-walmart
This is not the dumbest statement I've heard today, but that's only because I unfortunately saw a few clips of Trump trying to string a coherent thought together earlier.
I said it's about sex. You keep bringing up gender. Gender does not matter in sports. It is ABSOLUTELY something that can and should be ignored. No one (except bigots obviously) is attempting to guess anyone's gender in sports. Sports does not segregate anyone by gender. Or race, or sexuality, or religion...it's all immaterial.
If this was true then cis women would be forced to compete with trans men, causing exactly the same problems as you hope to ignore by insisting that sports are segregated by sex rather than gender.
If you actually believe what you say you do, then you think these guys should be on women's teams:
Personally, I think you're pretty weird for demanding that certain kinds of men should be forced into women's sports just because of their sex.
That's only not happening because trans men are physically unable to compete with cis men (on average). If there were a sport where cis women had a physical advantage over cis men, and trans men tried to join the cis men league, we'd be having the same discussion.
Wow, I didn't expect you to make this so easy for me.
To prove your argument, name one example of a trans man who was required to participate in women's sports without controversy.
As counter-argument, here's a trans man that was forced to compete in women's wrestling and won two state championships because he wasn't allowed to compete with men: https://www.thepinknews.com/2021/06/01/trans-wrestling-mack-beggs-texas-sport-changing-the-game-hulu/
And here's another article focusing on trans men competing against cis men in sports:
https://www.insidehook.com/sports/trans-athletes-win-boys-sports
Everything you just confidently said is completely irrelevant.
Let's start with the beginning of my argument above. Can you name a sport where cis women have a physical advantage over cis men?
Again, if your argument is about competetive fairness, then we don't need gender segregation to make sure everyone gets a chance to compete fairly. Ranking on some objective measure of performance can ensure that nobody is out of their league at sports.
If the point of segregating by gender in sports is to make space for women in sports, then we could just do that. No point in discriminating about it since trans folks are rare anyway.
Since the actual point of women's sports is to protect fragile male egos from getting beaten by girls, forcing trans women into men's leagues doesn't solve the problem either.
And to answer your question, extreme long distance running. Here's an article about it: https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a44172975/are-women-better-endurance-runners/
The women's section is separate from the open section specifically so that women can get their place to compete without being dominated by men's biological advantages over them. Micheal Phelps is competing in the open section, which is... Well... Open. Also please leave strawmanning to the conservatives.
You missed my point.
If the argument is that unfair competition due to "biological advantages" should be reduced then I agree. Sports should be segregated by performance classes and open to all genders.
But if the point of segregating sports is to make space for women in sports, then excluding trans women is nothing more than discrimination on par with excluding black or disabled women. Trans women deserve not to have to play with the boys too.
That's probably the ideal solution, but the problem is that nobody's gonna watch anything except the top leagues. I mean watching the kinda good but not really amazing people's football league just isn't an appealing prospect, unless I misunderstood what you meant by performance classes. The whole point of this debate (other than conservatives shitting on trans women anyway) is that you need a framework where:
1-trans people can compete, 2-cis women aren't unfairly disadvantaged and 3-that people would actually watch.
I'm frankly not sure such a thing exists.
If we can only have two of those three then ditching the commerciality of it all would be my preference. Sports are actually worth watching when they aren't just an excuse to extract profit from professional and collegiate athletes.
Realistically, we can't have 3 in any case. Women's sports gets a tiny fraction of the viewership as it is and I don't see the inclusion or exclusion of trans women affecting those numbers much.
This is a really stupid argument. The thing that makes athletes special is their biology.
There's a reason that DK Metcalf towers over all of the cornerbacks in the NFL. He's a biological specimen that has incredible agility, height, muscle mass, and speed.
https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/d-k-metcalf-proves-he-s-an-athletic-freak-at-combine
Michael Phelps also has a biological advantage that very few humans have.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/we-celebrated-michael-phelpss-genetic-differences-why-punish-caster-semenya-for-hers/2019/05/02/93d08c8c-6c2b-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html
None of this excludes them over their competition.
I'll just copy my reply to the other guy.
Thanks for the gibberish. So many words to say absolutely nothing.