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James Carville is a person nobody should take advice from ever again.
Carville needs to 'strategically retreat' back into whatever Louisiana snake hole he slithered out of.
I thought it was the ark of the covenant.
I dont think people give early family guy enough credit for shitting on conservatives
Speaking of, If you don't watch American Dad I'd highly recommend. Been my favorite show from MacFarlane for a while now.
I love all of Seth's stuff honestly, I started watching The Orville recently and its fantastic. American dad is good too.
The Ollie North song lives rent free in my head.
Cajun style
You're, right he did. In 1992.
As far as I can tell, his political strategy has not evolved even a little over the past 3 decades, as he continues to push unpopular 'compromise candidates' and continues to tell people to 'sit down and shut up' whenever they suggest maybe the Democrats should chase some reforms that benefit the working class rather than simply appeasing the Wall Street paymasters.
I don't know if stubbornly sticking to the same failing strategy for 30 years makes you 'stupid', but it certainly doesn't make you smart.
To add to that, even though he helped get Clinton elected, Clinton's main accomplishment was making the Democrats more useless to the people as a result. Third way Democrats have been an abysmal failure from a progress perspective. Some of Clinton's "main accomplishments" were helping demolish the welfare state, and increasing the incarceration rate.
Obama, in retrospect, can be viewed as a third-way Democrat as well, and the primary policy accomplishment his presidency produced is a Republican think-tanked, half-measure healthcare policy that was largely a gift to the insurance companies even at the onset and has since been left out in the field to be continually picked at by vultures.
I was wondering this morning why Democrats don't seem to really have effective policy think-tanks like the Republicans do and then I thought maybe they just use the same ones.
Policy think-tanks cost money. Since the owner class has all the money, all the think-tanks serve the owner class.
This:
and this:
aren't the contradiction that you think they are.
Sure, he had a congress of the opposite party for some / most of his terms. You know who else had that? Nearly every president ever elected to office.
It makes it ever the more important to use what little time you have to push your agenda through, to veto things you disagree with, and sit your court appointees.
EDIT:
I also realized I left this "point" unaddressed:
Dude, I've been a bigger political news person for 20+ years than most people bother being. I can name organizations like "the Heritage Foundation" and the "Cato Institute" without a reference. You know why? Because these think-tanks are effective. Note my original comment. I said "effective policy think-tanks". Would you consider democratic think tanks effective when Obama with a sweeping mandate from the people unlike anything else I've seen in my lifetime wound up producing a copycat plan of a Republican governor?
Sure, they may exist, but if they do they're not what I'd term "effective" and me looking up their names isn't going to make them that way.
https://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidents-Coinciding/Party-Government/
Divided government is very common in the US.
Using your logic, Reagan's legacy was actually whatever Democrats wanted then because he had a divided government as well.
Yes, Clinton had to deal with Newt Gingrich, but as you're getting an abject lesson in daily these days, the president has and has always had a large amount of power. He could've used that for good, instead he used it to help Republicans dismantle welfare, pass "tough on crime" laws, and get his dick sucked in the Oval.
Are you kidding me? You actually think trickle down works?
Now I get why you're such a fan of ineffective Democratic shit, you're in the .00001% of "Republican-lite" voters in the country they're looking to please at the cost of the rest of the electorate.
The laffer curve absolutely does have to do with trickle down. It's the pseudoscience backing for lowering the top tax rates. It starts off with the lie that that'll actually result in an increase of revenue, even when that's laughably untrue -- which is evidenced by the fact that the government has never been as broke as when it has continued to pursue this disastrous form of tax policy.
The thing about the Laffer curve is that...yes obviously you cannot tax 100% of everyone's paycheck and expect that the economy will grow, and yes obviously taxing everyone 0% will result in 0 revenue...these obvious things are obvious. But the rates in between have fairly straightforwardly predictable effects on revenue, and even adding a tax bracket where you take 100% of the income above a certain level is not one of the ends of the laffer curve, because the effective tax rate for those earners is still not 100%...because tax brackets exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
Think about where Clinton getting elected for the first time falls on that chart, vs. where we are now.
The relevancy it has is his strategy was successful when the US was still riding on the coattails of the New Deal and Great Society and was still perceived as being relatively egalitarian. But as inequality and worker exploitation got worse and worse and worse and worse AND WORSE, electing third-way neoliberal fuckwads doesn't work quite so well anymore!
The point is not that the problem started with Clinton (because it obviously didn't); the point is that Clinton running on "third way" neoliberalism was still a viable strategy because the effects weren't being widely felt yet.
The Democrats seem to have come up with two strategies so far: either (1) wait and hope someone does something, or (2) play dead and hope someone does something.
You forgot collect donations
Dude hasn't been correct about how to win elections since 30 years ago, and hasn't been correct about policy ever.
And then he won because he was running Bill "I don't literally hate black and gay people" Clinton against a proven liar who tanked the economy, in an America that cared about those things.
Also Ross Perot with a steel chair
I don't usually take advice from fucking fossils. Sanders is the exception.
Seriously, Carville is fucking 80, hasn't he been myopically dictating the direction of this useless fucking party long enough?