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Ok. Well, I suppose if you read this summary and still wonder, I don't think I can say something in a few sentences to make its content more clear.
I know what they are saying. I just don't think that building a solar farm in Morocco is really colonialist and would push them to still use fossil fuels as claimed. Go to google maps, search for those projects mentioned in the Guardian article and they are being build in the literal desert with enough space around:
https://www.google.com/maps/search/Noor+3+solar+power+station,+Ouarzazate/@31.0343835,-6.8871281,12839m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIxOS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
However the article is claiming:
But why?
I asked you to read the article to make obvious why some charts for Europe are actually kinda rigged. (Edit: Energy consumption from fossil fuel may look "good" for europe, but at what cost for other places) And btw, it was not by mistake that I used the global chart. So from the article:
I thought I would be clear why it is so bad to do these projects where water is scarce. From the article
In relation to your question but why?, for me the answer is the rest of the article and from the summary you mentioned in the following sections which I will not copy-paste:
Extractivism and Neocolonialism in the Global South
Morocco and Egypt: From extractivism to green colonialism
I'm sorry, I don't know what else to say.
Yeah, and I'm talking about solar farms, which do not use any water at all. Maybe some to clean the panels, but that is exactly my issue here: The article is throwing stuff together that really doesn't belong together. Buying gas from Egypt is different than building a solar farm or building industrial hydrogen plants or importing agricultural products.