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[–] [email protected] 0 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The historical meaning of liberalism was the same as what is called neoliberalism today

This is not true; liberalism was created as a reaction to the religious wars of the 16th and 17th centuries, as a way to prevent sectarian violence between Catholics and Protestants, and later as a way to prevent violence between rival states. I am sure there are people who believe in inequality based on wealth, but that is not what liberalism is, and that is not what US Democrats, for example, believe in.

You argue as if good arguments win, and ideology matters - it doesn’t work that way. Ideology is merely a tool. There is only power, or money that you can exchange for power. And those who desire nothing except power have a competitive advantage to gain more power and shape the world over people who want other things. There is a selection process that has been going for decades that precludes normal people like us two.

I'm not so ignorant to as to miss that what you are describing is the Marxist idea of dialectical materialism, which I personally believe is overly reductive in explaining history. Ideas do matter. The ways in which people esteem themselves and their groups do matter. It's not all just a cynical power grab by a bunch of godless lizard people pulling the strings on us.

What you are doing is kind of denying that economic power (or capital, or billionaires) have an overwhelming influence on politics and policies. If you say that the conservatives or democrats or whoever does this or that for ideological reasons, you deny political reality and obscure paths to improve things

That is absolutely not what I am saying, nor is it even relevant to what we are talking about.

So no, neoliberalism is not a derogatory term that should be avoided. It’s reality. Or how else do you explain Elon Musk running DOGE?

Your question is so bizarre as to be meaningless. You're asking me "There exist people who believe that the government should be restrained in how it treats people. Otherwise, how do you explain a man who believes government should not be restrained in how it treats people?"

Neoliberalism is just a catch-all for any policy right of center that leftists conflate with actual honest-to-god jackbooted fascism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Otherwise, how do you explain a man who believes government should not be restrained in how it treats people?

You're saying you view Elon Musk and his DOGE department favorably? If so, we can save our breaths and don't need to argue about anything any more haha.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

No, I'm obviously not saying that. Are you reading at all?