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Elon Musk says he and Trump are shutting down USAID
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As much as I want to dunk on them for being naive idiots, I'm trying to think of a polite way to radicalize and direct them to actual productive actions like organizing etc.
On the West Coast there a many progressive liberals (not all) who are ready to hear:
Lol, I may just float the idea of Cascadia to some people I know. Plant the seed. Who knows what will bloom
You can look at the other posts on this account , but basically the time is now for progressive liberals to get serious and see the US for what it is, and stop acting like there is something about the US government that's worth preserving.
It does not need to be a hardline "let's secede" kinda thing, cause we will fucking lose a civil war or whatever would happen next. It's more of a thought experiment/starting point/attitude. Going all in is gonna get us all shot, but if we know the US government is against our interests (as the working class, but also as progressive-thinking people). What does it look like to do 70% of a secession and maybe not kick off a war (preferable, once we get there, we can figure out what the next move is)?
Is 70% of a secession still too much? What does 30% look like? At least we are headed in the right direction of protecting our vulnerable populations instead of waiting on some Democrat to give us an indication...
We know Democrats aren't getting the job done, and one major reason is that they care about "America" and shit, but not our state (this especially resonates with people who have lived in our region before 2005 or so). Our city council does a land acknowledgement every week before their meeting, so if you care about "stolen land" and making our Indian comrades whole again, then what give the US a seat at the table in the first place? Average liberals love talking about the slavery, colonization, genocide, racism, white supremacy, neo-imeprialism, and war that the US is woven from, so once again, why are you [they] so attached to it?
What is cascadia?
Cascada is a large biome in the northwest US and southern British Columbia in Canada, with an associated independence movement
The "independence movement" is pretty lightweight and lib-flavored as it currently exists. People here know about it though, or at least have seen the "Doug flag" (avatar for this account) at soccer game or bar around town.
It is pre-marketed, and it is less difficult to backdoor a progressive liberal into a conversation about "socialism with Cascadian characteristics" than it is to beg and plead them to join the "spooky communist" PSL (these MFs are off-put by the DSA like half the time).
The more serious stuff can come later, but it is absolutely necessary to demolish the idea that anything good will happen at the federal and recognize that liberalism is a dead ideology when it comes to resusting the fascist elements of the Republican party. This has been clearly demonstrated for 12 years. Liberals: how long until you fucking do something that isn't in the MSNBC news cycle?
I believe it's the region covering the PNW to California, and there is a movement to make it its own nation state
Not all of California. Like maybe down to Shasta, definitely not San Francisco or anything south of it. They like to call it a bioregion.
Core is Van, Seattle, and Portland down to Eugene. Further south or east is debatable, and starts to overlap with "greater Idaho", "state of Jefferson", or "calexit" California.
Ah thanks for clarifying
Same, my go to is usually something like "it has always been this way for many Americans, but now it is going to get worse for us all. The only solution is to end the profit driven capitalist system and transition to socialism before it's too late. We can organize against this, we need to follow the examples of x,y,z (depending on the topic)"
I've been seeing a lot of these posts on XHS so I'm always like "we are on a Chinese app, let's look to the examples of China's success and follow the path of Marx, Lenin and Mao" lol